Torque Converter

4.2 V8 40v biturbo - 450 bhp
4.2 V8 40v biturbo - 480 bhp (plus)
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Re: Torque Converter

Post by RS6MTM » Mon May 13, 2013 12:37 pm

bilko1 wrote:I suspect they just rip the box out at that price.
If they fix the box and offer a garauntee, why should I worry about how they remove/ re-install the box? Makes no odds to me!

For all those who have been asking me - the company are called Burnside Garages, Coleraine. If you google them youll get their website and contact details. You need to call them though to get a price as the website is very general.

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Re: Torque Converter

Post by bam_bam » Mon May 13, 2013 3:09 pm

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bilko1 wrote:I suspect they just rip the box out at that price.
If they fix the box and offer a garauntee, why should I worry about how they remove/ re-install the box? Makes no odds to me!
Meh, it depends. If they rammed the gearbox into your turbos half-dozen trying to get it back in, that could cause some odds, in my book. It might have an issue not when you drive it away but it might later on. Do you think they'll honour a warranty clam for that?

I don't doubt the 'box can be removed and replaced with the engine in situ, what I do doubt, is that not everyone that claims to do it actually gives a <beep> about what they're doing.

It's like this; you've got a headache (if you're an RS6 owner, then is likely due to your car), however it turns it's a tumour, anyway, you go to your trusty doc and he says "I'm going to treat this in the way that all my peers and medical training suggests is best practice, we have to saw the top off your dome, this will give us more room in case of error and less risk should something be found", so you say "that's swell doc, book a brother in".
Now, on your way out of the doc's surgery, you overhear this:
Other doc: "yeah, I know it's not the suggested method but it's quicker, cheaper and it's guaranteed."

Other patient: "but you're talking about ripping the affected part of my brain out via my nose."

Other doc: "don't worry about that, it's cheaper."

Other patient: "but what if you don't find anything, you've not checked the whole brain."

Other doc: "don't worry about that, it'll be quicker."

Other patient: "how will brain fit back up my nose."

Other doc: "don't worry about that, I'll guarantee your brain will be fine."

Other patient: "I'm more worried about my nose..."

Do you trust your life-long family doctor or this new guy bucking the accepted method? BTW, I'm not rubbishing the method, I'm questioning the person that is recommending a particular method.
In this case, someone with a reputation would recommend the method most notable for success. I'm just saying.
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Re: Torque Converter

Post by bakustax » Mon May 13, 2013 3:23 pm

Leaving the engine in situ is the preferred method across the pond...which 9 times out of 10 would suggest it's probably best to drop the engine...this could be the 1 time they are right...surely it best to disturb as little as possible during any removal...and a damn sight cheaper?

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Re: Torque Converter

Post by RS6MTM » Mon May 13, 2013 3:25 pm

bam_bam wrote:
RS6MTM wrote:
bilko1 wrote:I suspect they just rip the box out at that price.
If they fix the box and offer a garauntee, why should I worry about how they remove/ re-install the box? Makes no odds to me!
Meh, it depends. If they rammed the gearbox into your turbos half-dozen trying to get it back in, that could cause some odds, in my book. It might have an issue not when you drive it away but it might later on. Do you think they'll honour a warranty clam for that?

I don't doubt the 'box can be removed and replaced with the engine in situ, what I do doubt, is that not everyone that claims to do it actually gives a <beep> about what they're doing.

It's like this; you've got a headache (if you're an RS6 owner, then is likely due to your car), however it turns it's a tumour, anyway, you go to your trusty doc and he says "I'm going to treat this in the way that all my peers and medical training suggests is best practice, we have to saw the top off your dome, this will give us more room in case of error and less risk should something be found", so you say "that's swell doc, book a brother in".
Now, on your way out of the doc's surgery, you overhear this:
Other doc: "yeah, I know it's not the suggested method but it's quicker, cheaper and it's guaranteed."

Other patient: "but you're talking about ripping the affected part of my brain out via my nose."

Other doc: "don't worry about that, it's cheaper."

Other patient: "but what if you don't find anything, you've not checked the whole brain."

Other doc: "don't worry about that, it'll be quicker."

Other patient: "how will brain fit back up my nose."

Other doc: "don't worry about that, I'll guarantee your brain will be fine."

Other patient: "I'm more worried about my nose..."

Do you trust your life-long family doctor or this new guy bucking the accepted method? BTW, I'm not rubbishing the method, I'm questioning the person that is recommending a particular method.
In this case, someone with a reputation would recommend the method most notable for success. I'm just saying.
His details are above. If its causing you concern, give him a call and ask him on his methods. Im sure he'd be glad to chat. From what he told me on the phone I understand he removes engine AND gearbox for this job but Im no mechanic so I can't say whether this is or is not the right/best way. I'll leave that up to you and other qualified mechanics to debate. All I want is a functioning car with a 12 month garauntee. Oh, and for about £1500 less than offered elsewhere :bigblink:

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Re: Torque Converter

Post by bam_bam » Mon May 13, 2013 3:40 pm

This.
bilko1 wrote:I suspect they just rip the box out at that price.
If he's dropping the 'box and engine together, why would I want to give him a call to discuss his methods? It's now his price that's an alarming concern! How is he that cheap?
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Re: Torque Converter

Post by chunky79 » Mon May 13, 2013 5:16 pm

5 hours to whip box and engine out? Say 7 for safety. Same for back in.
£65 per hour? = £910 for labour.
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Re: Torque Converter

Post by madi » Mon May 13, 2013 9:51 pm

If you need your TC rebuilding you can get this done for £200.. just waiting for a mate to get his back and i will tell you the results once everything has gone back in etc.

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Re: Torque Converter

Post by Mr V10 » Mon May 13, 2013 9:56 pm

£200 is about the going rate for a torque convertor.
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Re: Torque Converter

Post by madi » Mon May 13, 2013 10:25 pm

what a new one? or a rebuilt one

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Re: Torque Converter

Post by Maximo » Mon May 13, 2013 10:28 pm

I think there is something a miss here, Grizz is replacing the gearbox for £3500 all in. What R6MTM is quoting appears to be removal and refitting of the gearbox, there is no mention of a gearbox being replaced. That is unless I've not read something.
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Re: Torque Converter

Post by Maximo » Mon May 13, 2013 10:30 pm

what a new one? or a rebuilt one
A rebuilt one is about £200. There really isn't that much to them. I've seen them for about £450 new, can't remember where though. Which doesn't help anyone.
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Re: Torque Converter

Post by madi » Mon May 13, 2013 10:35 pm

Maximo wrote:I think there is something a miss here, Grizz is replacing the gearbox for £3500 all in. What R6MTM is quoting appears to be removal and refitting of the gearbox, there is no mention of a gearbox being replaced. That is unless I've not read something.


£1500 is do able and i know of a company that will do this, thats a rebuild of the gearbox, removing and re-fitting it too.

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Re: Torque Converter

Post by Maximo » Mon May 13, 2013 10:51 pm

There has to be a good few hours in rebuilding a gearbox. I don't like being ripped off, but at £1500 I can't see that being very profitable so where are the corners being cut. For me the sums don't add up.
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Re: Torque Converter

Post by madi » Mon May 13, 2013 11:09 pm

Maximo wrote:There has to be a good few hours in rebuilding a gearbox. I don't like being ripped off, but at £1500 I can't see that being very profitable so where are the corners being cut. For me the sums don't add up.

I think we need answers from the people that open the box and know them inside-out. In the rebuild what is actually being done, what parts are need to be changed etc.

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Re: Torque Converter

Post by Mr V10 » Mon May 13, 2013 11:44 pm

Gearbox topics should be banned in the C5 forum, a bit like the c word is in the B7 forum.
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