Okay, let's talk about buying one now !!!
What sort of discount have people achieved at Audi dealers ? On a car say advertised at £38,000, what what be your starting bid and how much do you think you could potentially get off ?
RS6 - Buying one a bad idea ?
Rich, I think what you have said has nailed it on the head for me, and as you say, I think you just have to accept that these cars are very high maintenance. Its the same story with other exotica I suppose.
Okay, let's talk about buying one now !!!
What sort of discount have people achieved at Audi dealers ? On a car say advertised at £38,000, what what be your starting bid and how much do you think you could potentially get off ?
Okay, let's talk about buying one now !!!
What sort of discount have people achieved at Audi dealers ? On a car say advertised at £38,000, what what be your starting bid and how much do you think you could potentially get off ?
Try 36, they'll probably say no, but if you want to take a risk of loosing it, you can say "well if things change you know where I am..." They ultimately want rid of these cars now, so you may well get a call, but then again it may have gone. Very realistic to think you could get a grand off though. All depends on how much you want that particular car!
I have been in discussions about a 6+ and it's come down by 5.5k since before Christmas.... I now know I'm at their absolute limit.
I have been in discussions about a 6+ and it's come down by 5.5k since before Christmas.... I now know I'm at their absolute limit.
RS4 B5. Where it all started.
RS6+ Never to be replaced.
Replaced by: 997 Turbo. Didn't like.
Replaced by RS6. I like(d).
Land Rover Defender. Not as nippy.
Back with C6 RS6
And again C7 RS6
RS6+ Never to be replaced.
Replaced by: 997 Turbo. Didn't like.
Replaced by RS6. I like(d).
Land Rover Defender. Not as nippy.
Back with C6 RS6
And again C7 RS6
Wait!!
I had an RS6 and I loved it, apart from the dreaded Audi Costs. Some people on this posting are really giving the upside.
This car costs a fortune to run, I've moved onto a 996TT now and the costs are probably half that of the RS6.
Fuel - MAX 16.7Mpg, living in London - this car is great on longer runs and you can with a very careful foot get 20mpg, around town it is hurrendous. My mileage was quite high and I was at the pump daily. 911 is doing 22mpg but has a much smaller engine I suppose!
Insurance - Same same Between £1000 and £2000 depending on points etc
Tyres - I could get upto 13k miles on a set, not too bad, but in the early days they were very expensive
Warranty - £1500 WOW! Glad I didn't keep it until that day
Brakes - Killer, the discs can ring / crack. After 9000 miles Audi do not want to know anymore. Expect to pay £1000 per axle to replace discs and pads - 44000 miles sounds extraordinary, expect to use a set in 20-30k Based on mileage you're looking at get these changed by dealer before you sign!
CamBelt - Expensive - costs approx £1000 to change
Servicing - supposed to be fixed cost! I never got a quote with VAT, and I could negotiate with Audi to get the price down. Their was huge difference between dealership costs, be careful.
Depreciation - the new S6 is announced, and looks quite attractive - also the new RS6 is about to be announced alongside a whole host of new Audi S/RS cars coming to the market over the next two years. I would maybe wait for 3-4 months whilst the new cars get launched as they will make the RS6 look a bit more dated. Also be very careful with the resale, Audi would not take my RS6 on initially (I was leaving the brand), and because of the reasons above they like to have £5k - £10k margin in the car to cover warranty and any parts extra that need to be fitted to bring it upto the Audi Warranty standard.
I got to 39999 Miles in mine and it broke my back with the following:
New tyres £1000
New Brakes £2000
Service inc Cambelt £1300
With negotiation I got the total bill to around £3500. This is Ferrari style costs.
This is not meant to be negative - just my story! - The car was awesome to drive, sounded great, looked great,
but it came at a cost.
If I was looking for another now I'd be waiting for a late spec car with the new DVD Satnav fitted to it.
I had an RS6 and I loved it, apart from the dreaded Audi Costs. Some people on this posting are really giving the upside.
This car costs a fortune to run, I've moved onto a 996TT now and the costs are probably half that of the RS6.
Fuel - MAX 16.7Mpg, living in London - this car is great on longer runs and you can with a very careful foot get 20mpg, around town it is hurrendous. My mileage was quite high and I was at the pump daily. 911 is doing 22mpg but has a much smaller engine I suppose!
Insurance - Same same Between £1000 and £2000 depending on points etc
Tyres - I could get upto 13k miles on a set, not too bad, but in the early days they were very expensive
Warranty - £1500 WOW! Glad I didn't keep it until that day
Brakes - Killer, the discs can ring / crack. After 9000 miles Audi do not want to know anymore. Expect to pay £1000 per axle to replace discs and pads - 44000 miles sounds extraordinary, expect to use a set in 20-30k Based on mileage you're looking at get these changed by dealer before you sign!
CamBelt - Expensive - costs approx £1000 to change
Servicing - supposed to be fixed cost! I never got a quote with VAT, and I could negotiate with Audi to get the price down. Their was huge difference between dealership costs, be careful.
Depreciation - the new S6 is announced, and looks quite attractive - also the new RS6 is about to be announced alongside a whole host of new Audi S/RS cars coming to the market over the next two years. I would maybe wait for 3-4 months whilst the new cars get launched as they will make the RS6 look a bit more dated. Also be very careful with the resale, Audi would not take my RS6 on initially (I was leaving the brand), and because of the reasons above they like to have £5k - £10k margin in the car to cover warranty and any parts extra that need to be fitted to bring it upto the Audi Warranty standard.
I got to 39999 Miles in mine and it broke my back with the following:
New tyres £1000
New Brakes £2000
Service inc Cambelt £1300
With negotiation I got the total bill to around £3500. This is Ferrari style costs.
This is not meant to be negative - just my story! - The car was awesome to drive, sounded great, looked great,
but it came at a cost.
If I was looking for another now I'd be waiting for a late spec car with the new DVD Satnav fitted to it.
Zero Drama
I do not understand why rationality and 450+ HP TTV8's are in the same paragraph. You do not buy this sort of car with anything but a mild intrusion from the brain...the heart does it all. I appreciate that you must get a good one for the money but worrying about what you pay for this car versus another marque/model, depreciation, servicing, tyres, petrol etc....you may as well just buy a BMW diesel.
Having lost money on just about every performance car I have ever owned (RS2 excepted) I still drive with a smile on my face because if you buy cars like this with any tredpidation about future worth (etc) then you are not buying for the right reason. Yes, I am one of those that has lost MANY £'s on GT3 MkII, RS4 is holding well however, they are all GREAT cars. WR quatt, RR quattro, urS4 and RS2 etc etc......simply GREAT cars !
However, having just bought a well modified RS6 saloon for over 40k.....I suppose I am a just little biased.
Don't let your brain intefere with what would be a perfectly irrational decision. Buy Now, worry later.
Having lost money on just about every performance car I have ever owned (RS2 excepted) I still drive with a smile on my face because if you buy cars like this with any tredpidation about future worth (etc) then you are not buying for the right reason. Yes, I am one of those that has lost MANY £'s on GT3 MkII, RS4 is holding well however, they are all GREAT cars. WR quatt, RR quattro, urS4 and RS2 etc etc......simply GREAT cars !
However, having just bought a well modified RS6 saloon for over 40k.....I suppose I am a just little biased.
Don't let your brain intefere with what would be a perfectly irrational decision. Buy Now, worry later.
boff: Sounds like you drive your car hard so yes the car is very expensive to run, especially on brakes and tyres if your driving hard enough to crack discs.
steveurg: So you bought Paul's car
Its a great example, enjoy 
Buying a 6 is about indulgence and petrol in the veins, not cold logic/accountancy.
If its about performance and economics, buy a BMW 535d Sport.
If its about constant grinning, theatre and exclusivity go with the 6
steveurg: So you bought Paul's car
Its a great example, enjoy Buying a 6 is about indulgence and petrol in the veins, not cold logic/accountancy.
If its about performance and economics, buy a BMW 535d Sport.
If its about constant grinning, theatre and exclusivity go with the 6
Well I'm having the same dilema, an RS6+, a standard low mileage RS6 (£10k less, but AMD will be called upon I'm sure) or, wait for it... a TVR Sagaris. (Again, 10k less but no nice creature comforts) Would love to stay with Audi til my RS4 (eventually) arrives but the 6 seems a really good way to burn money, for someone that is only ever in the car by himself, once a week for social use. The family, dogs and any MDF are transported by slower method... A lot comes down to who's going to give me the best deal. Wolverine - you may well be totally confused by now, I know I am!
RS4 B5. Where it all started.
RS6+ Never to be replaced.
Replaced by: 997 Turbo. Didn't like.
Replaced by RS6. I like(d).
Land Rover Defender. Not as nippy.
Back with C6 RS6
And again C7 RS6
RS6+ Never to be replaced.
Replaced by: 997 Turbo. Didn't like.
Replaced by RS6. I like(d).
Land Rover Defender. Not as nippy.
Back with C6 RS6
And again C7 RS6
kc - lol
On a more serious note - this is fact. I ran the RS6 for 40k miles, and the 911 for 20k miles so far. Everything is cheaper (which amazed me!).
Tyres - Fronts 130 each, Rears 170 each - they last as long as, if not longer than the RS and usually the rears wear at a ratio of 2:1 on the fronts, you basically get 25000 miles on fronts (if not a bit more)
Extended Warranty £725 per annum (although needed at 2 years to 3 as per Audi)
Servicing - interval is longer at 12000 miles, 12k Service is approx £300 (fixed cost, just haven't got the flyer to hand) 24 k service is £1000 (which is slightly heavier than Audi) The big service is at 48k miles and probably will be £1300. Plugs from Audi were something like £25 each (as I remember) on the 911 they are £5 each and only 6 required, but they take longer to fit. Brakes wear evenly and last very very well at approx 30-40k miles per set, pads wear out every 20k ish and discs are cheaper as they are more mass produced. Porsche will also re-surface the discs before they put a new set on (lots of metal)
Depreciation is quite solid now that my car has taken the initial hit - so for me a better buy as I bought an ex-dem with 8k miles on it.
Insurance is the same
Fuel consumption is measurably better
No Cam belt to change - ever.
Customer Service so far is many times better
Where is it worse - well, being a 911 you want it to be perfect at all times, I'm not saying the RS6 shouldn't get the same looking after, but you could pile in and out of the RS6 and not worry too much. Mine has a clutch, and I miss the Auto RS6 - there's something to be said for hoofing all the way to 190mph without breaking a sweat!! People spit at the 911 regularly, usually when it's parked up - more jealousness, I actually have no problems with people letting me out - infact for some bizarre reason it's better in the 911.
So this has slightly gone off thread - but I was just as amazed as you kc, and it is real, no bs!!
In summary cars are about how they make you feel, I loved my RS6 and now I love the 996TT, the 996 for us is a better car, we drove to Europe in it for our honeymoon and it was awesome, it is great at distance, speed, handling, fun, style, etc
Unfortunately you can't carry a fridge at the same time!!! I'd have another RS6 - but right now I'm just amazed at how reasonable porsche ownership has been. Service bills can be as bad, but everything else is much cheaper probably due to the volumes used and produced. For the first week of 996TT ownership I longed to have the RS6 back..... then I learned how to drive it and I'll never look back.
I have to say - try a Cayenne too - they are just amazing for the size, just how it goes around corners like that is beyond me.
In summary RS6 Bad idea? no - not at all, just read the small print!!
On a more serious note - this is fact. I ran the RS6 for 40k miles, and the 911 for 20k miles so far. Everything is cheaper (which amazed me!).
Tyres - Fronts 130 each, Rears 170 each - they last as long as, if not longer than the RS and usually the rears wear at a ratio of 2:1 on the fronts, you basically get 25000 miles on fronts (if not a bit more)
Extended Warranty £725 per annum (although needed at 2 years to 3 as per Audi)
Servicing - interval is longer at 12000 miles, 12k Service is approx £300 (fixed cost, just haven't got the flyer to hand) 24 k service is £1000 (which is slightly heavier than Audi) The big service is at 48k miles and probably will be £1300. Plugs from Audi were something like £25 each (as I remember) on the 911 they are £5 each and only 6 required, but they take longer to fit. Brakes wear evenly and last very very well at approx 30-40k miles per set, pads wear out every 20k ish and discs are cheaper as they are more mass produced. Porsche will also re-surface the discs before they put a new set on (lots of metal)
Depreciation is quite solid now that my car has taken the initial hit - so for me a better buy as I bought an ex-dem with 8k miles on it.
Insurance is the same
Fuel consumption is measurably better
No Cam belt to change - ever.
Customer Service so far is many times better
Where is it worse - well, being a 911 you want it to be perfect at all times, I'm not saying the RS6 shouldn't get the same looking after, but you could pile in and out of the RS6 and not worry too much. Mine has a clutch, and I miss the Auto RS6 - there's something to be said for hoofing all the way to 190mph without breaking a sweat!! People spit at the 911 regularly, usually when it's parked up - more jealousness, I actually have no problems with people letting me out - infact for some bizarre reason it's better in the 911.
So this has slightly gone off thread - but I was just as amazed as you kc, and it is real, no bs!!
In summary cars are about how they make you feel, I loved my RS6 and now I love the 996TT, the 996 for us is a better car, we drove to Europe in it for our honeymoon and it was awesome, it is great at distance, speed, handling, fun, style, etc
Unfortunately you can't carry a fridge at the same time!!! I'd have another RS6 - but right now I'm just amazed at how reasonable porsche ownership has been. Service bills can be as bad, but everything else is much cheaper probably due to the volumes used and produced. For the first week of 996TT ownership I longed to have the RS6 back..... then I learned how to drive it and I'll never look back.
I have to say - try a Cayenne too - they are just amazing for the size, just how it goes around corners like that is beyond me.
In summary RS6 Bad idea? no - not at all, just read the small print!!
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This has been a very interesting thread to watch.
I was an RS6 owner until two weeks ago when I sold the RS6 due to long term high running costs. I only owned the car for a short period of time, but enjoyed the cars immensely, the grip, the power and comfort of the RS6 are out of this World. I would have the car back tomorrow, but finances just don't allow....
All of the comments on here have been correct, you can't run this car on a budget. All decisions need to come straight from the heart.
I would say an approximate running cost of between £800 - £1000 a month inclusive of depriation would be where you will be in buying an RS6.
I was an RS6 owner until two weeks ago when I sold the RS6 due to long term high running costs. I only owned the car for a short period of time, but enjoyed the cars immensely, the grip, the power and comfort of the RS6 are out of this World. I would have the car back tomorrow, but finances just don't allow....
All of the comments on here have been correct, you can't run this car on a budget. All decisions need to come straight from the heart.
I would say an approximate running cost of between £800 - £1000 a month inclusive of depriation would be where you will be in buying an RS6.
Just to complicate this discussion a little more ..... new EVO mag just popped through the post this morning .... new S6 due in July, order book opening April. So what we have is 414BHP, 5.2 litre Lambo engine, 40:60 rear bias as in new RS4, quad tailpipes, and an interior to die for. RS version cant be far off too then ....
..... new EVO mag just popped through the post this morning .... new S6 due in July, order book opening April. So what we have is 414BHP, 5.2 litre Lambo engine, 40:60 rear bias as in new RS4, quad tailpipes, and an interior to die for. RS version cant be far off too then ....
[quote="Wolverine"]
Okay, let's talk about buying one now !!!
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If you go the RS6 route what do you have in mind ... saloon or avant? Any thoughts on colour? Any must have toys?
Personally, I prefer the shape of the saloon but the avant has to be the ultimate stealth car. For me I had to have the folding mirrors (due to garage door limitations) ... as a plus point mines got the auto-dimming wing mirrors which although I didn't need them I actually find them to be extremely good. I've also got the privacy glass fitted which initially I was quite unsure about but now rather like ... I don't like it on estates as for seem reason they don't seem to carry it round to the front door windows (or that might have just been on the one I saw).
My advice, and it may sound obvious, is to try and get round and see as many RS6's as possible - especially different colour combinations. Have you had a test drive yet? If you're uncertain see if you can get your local dealer to lend you one for an afternoon (I did this in a nearly new TT but I'm not sure they'd let you out in an RS6 - you can but ask) as it might give you an idea what it's like to live with. For some reason when I was looking, the sales guys were reluctant to allow me out for a test drive in one (a number of vague excuses given - I probably looked like I couldn't afford it). I was allowed to sit in and play with the stereo and rev the engine etc but not actually take one out for a ride. The first car I got a proper drive in was actually the one I bought so be warned - the heart will start to take over.
Colour actually gave me the biggest headache. I think they look absolutely menacing in black but I wasn't sure about living with a light coloured leather interior, red would have been really nice but maybe too much of a wake up call first thing in the morning and I think black on black would have been too much. In the end I opted for daytona grey which I personally believe is the best colour - but then I would say that. (although you can't beat a well polished black audi).
Rich.
Okay, let's talk about buying one now !!!
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If you go the RS6 route what do you have in mind ... saloon or avant? Any thoughts on colour? Any must have toys?
Personally, I prefer the shape of the saloon but the avant has to be the ultimate stealth car. For me I had to have the folding mirrors (due to garage door limitations) ... as a plus point mines got the auto-dimming wing mirrors which although I didn't need them I actually find them to be extremely good. I've also got the privacy glass fitted which initially I was quite unsure about but now rather like ... I don't like it on estates as for seem reason they don't seem to carry it round to the front door windows (or that might have just been on the one I saw).
My advice, and it may sound obvious, is to try and get round and see as many RS6's as possible - especially different colour combinations. Have you had a test drive yet? If you're uncertain see if you can get your local dealer to lend you one for an afternoon (I did this in a nearly new TT but I'm not sure they'd let you out in an RS6 - you can but ask) as it might give you an idea what it's like to live with. For some reason when I was looking, the sales guys were reluctant to allow me out for a test drive in one (a number of vague excuses given - I probably looked like I couldn't afford it). I was allowed to sit in and play with the stereo and rev the engine etc but not actually take one out for a ride. The first car I got a proper drive in was actually the one I bought so be warned - the heart will start to take over.
Colour actually gave me the biggest headache. I think they look absolutely menacing in black but I wasn't sure about living with a light coloured leather interior, red would have been really nice but maybe too much of a wake up call first thing in the morning and I think black on black would have been too much. In the end I opted for daytona grey which I personally believe is the best colour - but then I would say that. (although you can't beat a well polished black audi).
Rich.
I find the auto dimming rear view and wing mirrors a bit a pain at night. My 6 has priv glass from front to back. If your pressing on its difficult to keep a track of what is behind you. If a car approaches you its difficult to see if its a wonderful traffic policeman making sure the roads are safe for criminals in old Astra's.
So to play safe I ease off, only to be passed by a.n.other car before booting it again.
The other option I am not too happy with is the solar sunroof. Only had the car a couple of months, but it mists the interior a lot this time of year. Hoping for good summer to balance this negative with the positive of a less than baking car.
So to play safe I ease off, only to be passed by a.n.other car before booting it again.
The other option I am not too happy with is the solar sunroof. Only had the car a couple of months, but it mists the interior a lot this time of year. Hoping for good summer to balance this negative with the positive of a less than baking car.
Rich ... well, so far have seen three all at dealers. I am looking for an Avant due to family growing rather suddenly. Colours .... well, I like Black most but cleaning it to keep it gleaming will probably give me a headache. So has to be Daytonna, followed by Silver, Red, Blue, and lastly Green. Actually, the Goodwood Green car I have seem is the best in terms of spec. It has EVERY option checked. But its Green. It feels too understated in Green personally, and I just dont think it will ever grow on me and I am worried about re-sale... anyone here own a Goodwood Green and like to comment????
Spec, well, it must have full leather and ideally a sunroof (solar would be nice). Although is the solar powered roof more of a gimmick ? From what I understand it keeps the car cool for about 20 minutes after the engine is turned off (does it keep it warm too ???) Other options like elcectric steering column, rear blinds, rear airbags, telephone prep, folding mirrors, cross drill brakes etc. would be nice but not essential.
Can someone also tell me whether RS6s are available with "memory" electric seats? I have seen a few ads claiming memory, but cant seem to see that option in the brochure.
Spec, well, it must have full leather and ideally a sunroof (solar would be nice). Although is the solar powered roof more of a gimmick ? From what I understand it keeps the car cool for about 20 minutes after the engine is turned off (does it keep it warm too ???) Other options like elcectric steering column, rear blinds, rear airbags, telephone prep, folding mirrors, cross drill brakes etc. would be nice but not essential.
Can someone also tell me whether RS6s are available with "memory" electric seats? I have seen a few ads claiming memory, but cant seem to see that option in the brochure.