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Re: Engine Out

Post by Weiß-sechs » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:19 pm

That was basically what I was saying as in my first reply ....the engine doesn't need a pull to replace the rack.

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Re: Engine Out

Post by Bladerider » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:23 pm

Weiß-sechs wrote:
Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:19 pm
That was basically what I was saying as in my first reply ....the engine doesn't need a pull to replace the rack.
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Thought as much, skim read on phone so might have mis-read.

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Re: Engine Out

Post by Mɐʇʇ » Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:25 pm

Be really interested to know what they do. I guess they drop the subframe a bit - same as for the top lambdas? Which I'd also love a "how to" to file away for future reference.
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Re: Engine Out

Post by Piggy22 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:20 pm

Seems to be a lot of different costs being thrown around here for the engine out/in

1 month ago Audi Main dealer quoted me just over £1450 inclusive of VAT for an engine out and refit job for an EGT sensor. I would guess the sensor is over £300 so that leaves just over 1 standard rs6 unit in labour. Cheap if you ask me.....I spent more on 4 tyres and front discs and pads

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Re: Engine Out

Post by Mɐʇʇ » Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:57 pm

Hmm. On on axle stands, jacks and an engine crane, working solo, it takes me the best part of a weekend to pull the motor out, and the same to put it back in again. OK, so a lift makes things a sh!t load easier to do all the underneath stuff. But would I do out & in again for a grand - feck that. Especially as people'd expect a warranty on it too. I'd actually happily pay someone a grand! AND - you've only gotta miss 1 copper washer being torqued up correctly and it doesn't seal and the whole fecking lot has to come out again. To be fair, I was getting pretty quick at it by the end. It's not a hard job, it's just there's a whole lot that needs doing and all the crap jobs involve lying on your back trying to free a corroded or seized bolt!
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Re: Engine Out

Post by Shoppinit » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:23 am

Plus AC recharge, plus lost fluids, plus geometry.

A grand from a dealer is incredibly cheap. I'd definitely rather do that than attempt it myself.
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Re: Engine Out

Post by Bladerider » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:25 pm

Piggy22 wrote:
Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:20 pm
Seems to be a lot of different costs being thrown around here for the engine out/in

1 month ago Audi Main dealer quoted me just over £1450 inclusive of VAT for an engine out and refit job for an EGT sensor. I would guess the sensor is over £300 so that leaves just over 1 standard rs6 unit in labour. Cheap if you ask me.....I spent more on 4 tyres and front discs and pads
I would like to see a written quote from an Audi dealer that states the entire engine/drivetrain is removed for an EGT sensor !!!

And even more so if they can do it for £1450 Inc Vat then Im happy to get them to do ALL V8 Audis we have in that require such work !!! lolol
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Re: Engine Out

Post by Piggy22 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:24 pm

Bladerider wrote:
Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:25 pm
Piggy22 wrote:
Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:20 pm
Seems to be a lot of different costs being thrown around here for the engine out/in

1 month ago Audi Main dealer quoted me just over £1450 inclusive of VAT for an engine out and refit job for an EGT sensor. I would guess the sensor is over £300 so that leaves just over 1 standard rs6 unit in labour. Cheap if you ask me.....I spent more on 4 tyres and front discs and pads
I would like to see a written quote from an Audi dealer that states the entire engine/drivetrain is removed for an EGT sensor !!!

And even more so if they can do it for £1450 Inc Vat then Im happy to get them to do ALL V8 Audis we have in that require such work !!! lolol
I heard it with my own ears and I have the quote in our history folder.

The only way the dealers change the EGT's is to remove the engine. That's what the book tells them to do, so they won't attempt any other way. If I remember the breakdown, they charge around £90 per hour because the car is over a certain number of years old, plus parts and vat.

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Re: Engine Out

Post by Mɐʇʇ » Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:13 pm

I've got a spare pair of BNIB EGT's in my "stock" - but I'm fkkn dreading the day I have to do them. Fortunately the in-situ ones seem OK so far.
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Re: Engine Out

Post by armyair » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:16 pm

I've currently got the car at PSI tuning who are changing the rack in situ which is a relief to the bank balance. They have got it down to 6 hours labour having carried out a few.
I'll let you know how I get on as they seem really helpful and are looking at a few other jobs I had on the back burner.
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Re: Engine Out

Post by srichards » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:16 pm

That's good to know as they'll be doing mine if it needs one. 6 hours for an RS job is a walk in the park ;)

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Re: Engine Out

Post by Mɐʇʇ » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:49 pm

It'd be REALLY handy if you can get pics or any insight into what they do. My bet is it must be dropping the rear of the subframe - but I've only ever found a YouTube video showing roughly how to go about it - whereas a bit more of a step by step DIY would be awesome.
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Re: Engine Out

Post by Mɐʇʇ » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:50 pm

At the same time - 500 quid labour? I'd take that one on the chest for this job - compared to the time & effort of a full engine out...
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Re: Engine Out

Post by Weiß-sechs » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:08 pm

armyair wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:16 pm
I've currently got the car at PSI tuning who are changing the rack in situ which is a relief to the bank balance. They have got it down to 6 hours labour having carried out a few.
I'll let you know how I get on as they seem really helpful and are looking at a few other jobs I had on the back burner.
Got her back yet?

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Re: Engine Out

Post by armyair » Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:57 pm

Literally just got her back on the drive after a public transport adventure to get to PSI this morning.
I think I can consider myself one lucky punter as when they took a closer look at the steering rack they found the banjo washers on the pipes to the steering rack knackered leaving me a bill for 4 hours Labour plus 2x washers lol.
They also cleared an intermittent ECU light with a new Cam Sensor which I suspected was the timing chain.
Thoroughly recommend using them if I'm honest. I shall definitely be making them my first stop for all future work.
In answer to how they would change the steering rack they do indeed drop the subframe. No pics though as it never happened.
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