B9 RS4 ?

[Brooner]

if the B9 is getting above 70 i'll e going for a RS6 PE when the time comes

[doodlebug]

If the RS6 is still available, must be getting close to closing the book.

[RS Owner]

Full set available RS 3 5 6 7. only 4 missing. Come on Audi.

[bam_bam]

Full set available RS 3 5 6 7. only 4 missing. Come on Audi.

Can you say dilution? No? Don't worry, I can.
The next batch (and possibly more) of the Audi RS will be "journeymen" placeholders, completely diluted, probably due to the knock-on from dieselgate or Audi wanting to have umpteen RS models on sale at once. There, I said it.

[N13LXC]

Full set available RS 3 5 6 7. only 4 missing. Come on Audi.

Can you say dilution? No? Don't worry, I can.
The next batch (and possibly more) of the Audi RS will be "journeymen" placeholders, completely diluted, probably due to the knock-on from dieselgate or Audi wanting to have umpteen RS models on sale at once. There, I said it.

+1

I liked the days where only 1 RS Model was available at a time...it made each one iconic for it's model...

Not sure anyone would ever call the original RS3 iconic, or the even the B8...strangely though the C7 RS6 seems to have grabbed that icon status.

[RS4B8LYF]

Anyone who thinks this new B9 won't be much faster than the B8 needs their head looking at

There are numerous tricks car manufacturers do to set a good 0-60 time on paper. Back in the 90s, all cars suddenly had second gear reaching exactly 62 mph on the redline. I remember reading in TG Mag even Toyota did this on a boggo Yaris. Power sets a good 0-60 time - you are using max revs and the car makes its power at max revs.

(likewise, some car manufacturers simply didn't bother, the original k series Elise S1 + S2 and VX220 (na) redlined in second at around 57 mph, thus the 6 second 0-60 time makes it look far slower on paper than it feels in real life)

In the real world, there is simply no substitute for torque. 442lb ft is more than any R8 / Huracan derivative ever built.

Look what Ferrrai have just done with the California. They ditched the natural aspirated 4.3 litre V8 that made 358 lb ft, and fitted a 3.9 litre turbocharged V8 with 557 lb ft. Transforms the car, they ditched the silly short gearing as a result, no need to rev the balls off it to make it go

I'm trying to think of a more real world example. 2002 Honda Civic Type R (200 bhp) vs 2005 VW Golf GTi (200 bhp). Sure, the Type R is probably a second faster 0-60 than the Golf, but in the real world, when you aren't doing side-step-the-clutch launches, the torquey Golf more than has the Civic covered for in gear acceleration

I'd even go as far as saying that there would be a bigger difference in performance / figures / in gear acceleration between say a B8 RS4 and B9 RS4 (both 7 speed autos) than a B7 S4 and a B7 RS4 (both 6 speed manuals). The 125 lb ft different between the B8 B9 would make more difference in the real world than the 70 bhp different between the B7 S4 + RS4

The Tiptronic is no surprise - when the B8 S4 was blowing its gearboxes to bits with a quoted 325 lb ft (in reality, way more than that, more like 360 lb ft) there was only ever going to be one option for the B9 RS4, especially after Audi ditched it for the B9 S4

I don't agree. Having had ridiculous torque in a mapped 335d, big torque for the engine size in a cupra and now low torque in the RS4. What never gets mentioned is the rev range. The torque curve on a charged petrol will be like a mountain where you get big numbers for maybe 3k rpm. Either side of that you can drop to half the torque pretty quickly. Mine is 330lbft at 6.5k rpm but is only ever 10% less than that from 3k - 8.5k giving me 5.5k of the rev band where im 90-100% of torque. Less for more time vs. more for less time.

All i have to do is keep the revs up and luckily the box just wants to do that all day long. Yes you can get caught off guard and yes it won't feel as quick in a surge type way but the constant torque over lots more revs does bring acceleration if used.

The changes revently sre due to economy and the environment not performance.

I personally find revving the balls off of something to go quick more fun than just staying in top gear 50mph+ like i did in my 335d.

I much prefer S/R tronic to a ZF. But with their money issues they had to go with the lesser option. They are doing a box with graziano and i hope this will end up in the R5

So MRC just had the new S4 on the rollers. I had a play at merging the dyno graphs from the B9 S4 and a stock rs5 they had. This explains my point about headline torque figures not being the basis of fun:

Note ignore torque on the power graph and ignore power on the torque graph. Manipulated because of the scales so they can never both be accurate on the same graph.

Power:



Torque:



So the power is obvious. It much better having more for longer in a linear diagonal line.

On torque the rs5 has less between 2-4k rpm but the same or more between 4-6.5k rpm then infinitely more between 6.5-8.5k because the S4 has had to change up.

All my smiles are from revving the nuts off my car, it would lose its shine if i had to keep it between 3 and 5k rpm to be quick and an auto or DCT box will not do that when you punch it. That's why linear power, flat torque, high redline and a DCT that drops cogs in milliseconds is the perfect setup for fun in my opinion - and why i bought the car.

Great read, I love my RS4, it just does it so well!


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[kmpowell]

Finally had a chance to play with the configurator properly and configure a spec.

Firstly the cheeky fuckers have made the previously standard TPMS an option at £250! Secondly the previous £75 HHA is now only available as part of a £1300 pack!

I did the same as Dean and plugged in the spec of my now sold B8 which I bought new in Jan 2015.

The exact same spec new RS5 is ten thousand (yes £10k!) more than my B8! £72k OTR v £62 OTR.

Madness.

[kmpowell]

... and out of curiosity I just did a full-spec (all options ticked). £97k!!!

[marc1]

Bargain! Looks like an S Line too!

[N13LXC]

I disagree. Its not amazing looking, but is a lot different than an s-line...the front grille for starters, and the blistered arches...again, not saying it's great, but its very different to an s-line.

[DeanoC]

It's different but nowhere near as different as previous generations

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[marc1]

Would need to see it on the road, but from what I have seen it does not have the presence an RS should have. If the RS4 is anything like it, BMW and Merc will leave Audi standing. Especially as they're both introducing AWD.

[murph7355]

...
Firstly the cheeky fuckers have made the previously standard TPMS an option at £250!...

I thought all new cars had to come with one now....?

[Terminator_X]

Full set available RS 3 5 6 7. only 4 missing. Come on Audi.

RS3 not available?

TX.

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[535dboy]

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Firstly the cheeky fuckers have made the previously standard TPMS an option at £250!...

I thought all new cars had to come with one now....?

They do so maybe it is the more advanced ones like Porsche which show actual pressures per wheel as opposed to just a warning to say you have puncture.