Finally got there-incoming C7

[wildbore]

Having seen the issues with this car first hand, I really wouldn't.
I know you've found what looks like an ideal car, but genuinely, this car could have been a death trap. It's more luck than judgement that a serious accident never happened with this car
Please reconsider. For your and your families sake.

Do you mean that you saw this car yourself and can verify that the steering was disengaged from the wheels? From the original thread:

...intermittently there was physically no way of me controlling the wheels or the direction of travel, whilst parked, it would spin left to right without moving the wheels

If so, this will make the issue of Toyotas' unintended acceleration look like a minor sideshow...

[stevo55]

Having seen the issues with this car first hand, I really wouldn't.
I know you've found what looks like an ideal car, but genuinely, this car could have been a death trap. It's more luck than judgement that a serious accident never happened with this car
Please reconsider. For your and your families sake.

Do you mean that you saw this car yourself and can verify that the steering was disengaged from the wheels? From the original thread:

...intermittently there was physically no way of me controlling the wheels or the direction of travel, whilst parked, it would spin left to right without moving the wheels

If so, this will make the issue of Toyotas' unintended acceleration look like a minor sideshow...

Wildbore any chance you can drop me a PM please? Tried PM'ing you but it bounced back cheers

[RossDagley]

Do you mean that you saw this car yourself and can verify that the steering was disengaged from the wheels? From the original thread:

...intermittently there was physically no way of me controlling the wheels or the direction of travel, whilst parked, it would spin left to right without moving the wheels

If so, this will make the issue of Toyotas' unintended acceleration look like a minor sideshow...

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying.

[wildbore]

Do you mean that you saw this car yourself and can verify that the steering was disengaged from the wheels? From the original thread:

...intermittently there was physically no way of me controlling the wheels or the direction of travel, whilst parked, it would spin left to right without moving the wheels

If so, this will make the issue of Toyotas' unintended acceleration look like a minor sideshow...

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying.

Then, as it appears that Audi won't acknowledge the problem, surely this should be reported to the Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency with a view to a recall notice. This would certainly affect every A6 C7 worldwide and probably other Audis, too. I would imagine this is bigger by far than Dieselgate.

[doodlebug]

How's it comparable to dieselgate? VAG wilfully disguised their results, that's an entirely different kettle of fish.

As has been said here repeatedly it would seem far from sensible for the OP to purchase this car. No amount of inspection is going to bear out the fault.

[wildbore]

It is comparable because a recall of the entire A6 range and possibly many or all other vehicles from Audi would cost Audi a mind-boggling sum. Plus, if the A6 is able to detach its steering wheel from the wheels then the brand damage would be incalculable, vastly more so than a bit of naughty number fiddling.

But I suspect you know I am not taking any of this seriously.

Apart from the - frankly fantastical - assertion that the steering became detached from the wheels and then fixed itself and then became detached again, the rest of the symptoms were entirely pedestrian and could have their root cause in a number of mundane electrical issues that could plague any car.

If you actually believe that your RS6 is capable of having its steering disconnect then you shouldn't drive it. And yet, whilst there has been a lot of sympathy expressed for Zebede, I haven't seen anybody post that they have taken their vehicle in to be checked or have stopped driving it.

[zebede]

Explain the video then

[wildbore]

I saw a video of a stream of error messages on the driver's information panel, which is a simple electrical problem, possibly a failed control module, and should be easily diagnosed and sorted, whatever the cause. I work on pre-production vehicles and see it all the time.

I am NOT saying it is right, or that you shouldn't be concerned by it, or that it is something that shouldn't be treated seriously by the dealer (which was my position in your original thread). But there is a huge gulf between a control module failure and a complete disconnection of the steering wheel from the wheels.

Personally, I suspect you had a steering assistance failure, which would have been very disconcerting indeed, but it is still nothing like having no steering input at all.

Show me a video of you spinning the steering wheel from side to side and the front wheels not moving and I will grovel at your feet and plead forgiveness for doubting you. And I will stop driving my own car and I will report the matter to DVSA.

[zebede]

It's to do with the assistance gearing if the system shuts down then much steering input is required for very little wheel movement left and right

[W8PMC]

I'm pretty sure this debate took place on the other thread, but the steering going heavy due to an electrical issue which possibly caused a loss of Power Assistance is vastly different to it stopped working altogether & you had no steering input. Yes it's likely to be a tad scary, but cars are designed to have safety features in the event of electrical gremlins.

[MikeFish]

I don't think he is saying it went heavy, he said he needed a lot of input ie many turns of the steering wheel and the car didn't really change direction.

[RossDagley]

I don't think he is saying it went heavy, he said he needed a lot of input ie many turns of the steering wheel and the car didn't really change direction.

This. Essentially the feeling is of a disconnection between the wheel and rack. In reality, turning (say) 90 degrees on the wheel results in a (say) 2 degree direction change at the road wheels. Those numbers are made up - but imagine the feeling.

[W8PMC]

OK, i read it differently. So it's being said the steering wheel was in essence spinning fairly freely with power assistance but with little corresponding movement from the front wheels?

Certainly never heard of that before & i've no idea what electrical system would control that function as doesn't sound to be the PAS.

Either way, i'd be running a mile from this car unless they're giving it away.

[MikeFish]

I assume as part of the drive select and dynamic steering system the car can vary how much turning of the wheel affects actual steering. I therefore assumed that a fault with this system can create a fault like this although I'd like to think there were plenty of measures to ensure it didn't happen and fail safe but with so many other errors going on at the same time who knows what could happen.

[wildbore]

I assume as part of the drive select and dynamic steering system the car can vary how much turning of the wheel affects actual steering. I therefore assumed that a fault with this system can create a fault like this although I'd like to think there were plenty of measures to ensure it didn't happen and fail safe but with so many other errors going on at the same time who knows what could happen.

The only feature that can affect the steering ratio is the "dynamic steering option". Even then, this is basically mechanical and is thus failsafe - and it only makes minor adjustments to the ratio, not massive ones. The "Dynamic" setting in the MMI firms up the steering effort but doesn't change the ratio.

I did ask Zebede in the original thread if he had the dynamic steering option but he never responded. Now we have seen the vehicle spec we can see there is no steering option, so this is a car with an entirely conventional steering rack.