Slower then my old S4?

Post by **tartan_rob** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:15 pm

Boosted RS4 - thats the problem.....ideal car, where's the chequebook....

I could not really justify selling the S4 when there is so much life left in her....in a year or so, perhaps I should get a run in one of you guys good cars and then buy a std one so I can mod myself but for the timebeing and to save cash - better to keep the old faithful...

Post by **lengster1** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:19 am

Il gladly take you out for a blast mate,i must confess though i drove mine back from manchester airport last night in std form (i think 400bhp with the milltek is enough for the wife ha ha) and yes its a different car,boost in top at normal motorway speeds is just out of reach,even the exaust is quiter and doesnt do the lovely deep burbles on over run,however il be plugging in the revo today to transfom it while im at home yippee back to feathering the throttle instead of giving it a bit more to get it on boost cant wait,i read the post about the tuned s4 against the std rs4 i would think looking at the 0-60 effort on the rs4 the guy hasnt mastered getting the car cleanly away and into the power just my thoughts,and i have to say i dont blame him my car cleaned me out financially but i own it,and i wouldnt want to do the type of starts the press guys do because its muggins here footing the bill for a new clutch ha ha

Post by **Dippy** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:32 pm

Rob,

Your thoughts are absolutely right mate: An RS4, even a chipped one, is ONLY better than a chipped S4 at ILLEGAL road speeds. If you drive at illegal speeds a lot then it's only a matter of time before you lose your license. However it is more likely that you don't, in which case the performance difference between your car and a chipped RS4 is marginal, and it is better than a stock RS4.

Like you, I am not knocking the RS4, it is a very fine car (it's the S4's big brother after all). However the matter of moving from a chipped S4 to an RS4, chipped or otherwise, is not as easy as people think (where money is a consideration).

Of course this does not include the track, and if you want to discuss comparative performance on the track then I will definitely not join the discussion.

Post by **tartan_rob** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:17 pm

Dippy - wise words....you summed up my case and argument to a T...thanks.

Post by **lengster1** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:59 pm

If we are talking driveabilaty a chipped rs4 has a much wider powerband 3-7k superior handling and better brakes ok the brakes thing is a bit tongue in cheeck,a chipped rs4 will munch a chipped s4 at legal or illegal speeds end of story,dippy for such a saint of a driver youve spent alot of money making your car very capable of breaking the law might i ask why?i understand what your getting at completely but you do need to go in a modded rs4 driven well

Post by **fade2grey** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:13 am

between my 98 S4 avant & my bro's 01 RS4 - the S4 is easily ahead off the line due to the instant spool of the K03's Once the RS4 comes on song there's nothing I can do though. Though it's got to be said, the S4 is standard & the RS4 has a chip.

Post by **Dippy** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:02 pm

lengster1 wrote:If we are talking driveabilaty a chipped rs4 has a much wider powerband 3-7k superior handling and better brakes ok the brakes thing is a bit tongue in cheeck,a chipped rs4 will munch a chipped s4 at legal or illegal speeds end of story,dippy for such a saint of a driver youve spent alot of money making your car very capable of breaking the law might i ask why?i understand what your getting at completely but you do need to go in a modded rs4 driven well

I know Bushy's car (before he had the trouble) and it proves my point to a T. My low-down torque is clearly superior to his. You cannot deny that the RS4 has more lag than an S4 with KO3s.

Of course when he got his turbos really going and he showed his driving skills I got really scared. But part of that was 'cos we were indeed doing illegal speeds.

If you think I modded my car just to break the law than you've missed the point. I can break the law in (almost) any car for a lot less. It is easy to enjoy the advantages of a modded S4 without speeding. Less so with an RS4.

I am no saint, I just value my license too much.

Anyway, my post was very much targetted at Rob, and he knows exactly what I am talking about.

Post by **snbS4** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:47 pm

I agree too! I have a tweaked S4 running on K04's with a few other bits too. Although the HP figure of 395 is very close to a std. RS4, the power delivery is completely different with the std RS4's i've driven which feel completely flat until the revs are up. I can relate to the disappointment. Part of the reason is also the cam profiles between the two.
However, a tweaked RS4 is completely different again and I readily accept way above my S4 in all areas.
Hence the reason I have had my S4 as a daily driver for so long and cannot justify the extra cash over my car's value to a modded RS4 (as a std. one is just too flat for my liking) which must be the best part of £20K. It's a very underrated car for its value.
Rgds
Simon

K04's, full Milltek, H&R, Tanoga, Forge DV's, RS4 calipers and drilled discs, S4 B6 18" alloys, AWE DTS

Post by **Dippy** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:42 pm

Just out of interest I did a very quick check on typical used car prices on the Audi UK dealer network.

An average mileage RS4 goes for around £30K. The price Golfather is after for his on classifieds looks competitive.

The S4s I found were £16K to £18K but less than average mileage. That must be the sort of money I could get for mine.

So either pay £10K more for a stock RS4, or at least £15K more for a modded one.

No, I'll keep mine. £10K will pay for a serious turbo upgrade when the time comes...

Of course if my S4 was stock, it would be a very different matter.

Post by **bobjebb** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:48 pm

Dippy wrote:So either pay £10K more for a stock RS4, or at least £15K more for a modded one.

Beg to differ, mine is a low mileage RS4 with 'proper' stage III mod, at AMD. If I was selling tomorrow, I'd very much doubt I'd get any more than a grand extra than if it was stock.... In fact don't people generally pay less if it's been 'fiddled with'?

Post by **AFAP18** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:11 am

Well

I have S4 avant with a lot of RS 4 bits and hybrid K04/k16. Invested 17.000 U$.
But now, I am having the same problem. People do not like to buy cars that have been changed. You have to work the sale a lot more than a standard car, and get peanut for it.

Best Regards

WOT

Post by **Dippy** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:28 pm

Agreed. If you have a modded car and want to sell it then you have restricted options:
1) Find a buyer who wants a modded car. Even then you'll be lucky to get much extra for the mods.
2) Sell it for less than a standard one.
3) Trade it into a dealer (same as no 2 really).
4) Take off the mods and sell it at standard.

Post by **flashyg** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:34 pm

Some Other Options

Buy a car you love.
You have the right to remain standard,
Any thing you adjust will cost you money and may be used against you in a auction.
Buy cheap buy twice.
G

Post by **Mikse** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:07 pm

He everyone. I had to wake up this thread because I´m depating with my self about what route should I go for, -01 S4 or -01 RS4. What I´ve red is that S4 stage 3 (chip&full exhaust) is quicker on low speed/rpm than stock RS4 and was wondering if I go for a stock RS4 and can´t "afford" to chip it, I should definitely go for S4.

On the other hand if I´d buy RS4 that is allready upgraded to stage3 it would eat S4 stage3 in any circumstance.. But here in Finland the price difference between S4 and RS4 is ~20,000€ prices been +30k€ for S4 and +50k€ for RS4.

My other concern is This thread. RS4 has 120tkm on it and it has been chipped about 2 years ago. Should I be worried about the turbos or something else with that much on the clock? The car has been on track use once in a while..
The S4 has "only" 90tkm on it.

The car is for daily use only and I believe I could live with "only 320bhp" but then again the speed is in my blood and I really love the look of the RS

Post by **saf** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:12 pm

Hello Rob, hows it going.

The RS4 you drive. Was it modified? Because a map on a standars Rs4 does make a huge difference.

I know your old car was a beast of a machine.

Whisky took me for a spin in his hybrid monster, and quick is not the word I would use. I dont think the millenium flacon would have kept up.

If you have an Rs4 and drop compression and kick up the turbos to RS6 ones. Then you would be looking at around 600hp. MRC did a saloon recently with an RS4 engine. The guy was doing 60-125 in 6.2 seconds. That would equate to 0-125 in 10 seconds. Now thats quick.

tombs, take a trip up to mrc. they will truly sort your car out for you. I know they better on prices too than most tuners.

Whiskys car felt extremely quick, but i cant imagine what 0-125 in 10 seconds would be like. I know your car did 0-100 in 9 seconds rob, possibly same as whiskys, but an extra second would cover another 25 miles technically, thats just nuts. The 0-100 on it must be around 8 seconds and then 2 seconds to get from 100 to 125 is my guess.

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