B8 rs4 vs c6 rs6 vs m3

[Shinobi675]

It was your comments the other day that made me think "blimey I could have written this!" too.

[mik15]

"Where as the rs4 is more "really, you can try, I too cool to shout but I'll have you."

but you well know it it won't have the M4/M3

i too like the Audi and while the C6 is a fast car is almost just as blunt, the reason i am holding to it yet is that it is such a great compromise, it is not the best out there in its league and so is the story with the RS4 and mainly all RS cars, they're a great compromise cars, but if i had to choose a sportier car more focused for track days it would most likely be the 1M Coupe or the soon to come M2 or even the M3/M4. I am not BMW's advocate, but with all due respect, the aforementioned ones are really good track weapons compared to their Audi rivals, yes the four rings ones do offer AWD, so overall they are more usable in the UK climate, but putting that aside along with the so called bad image(which to me it doesn't really matter, i buy it for myself not for my neighbor so i don't give a <beep> what people think) that BMW owners have, and at the end of the day i still think it's a better driver's car.

Each to his own, but that's my opinion in regards to getting a car that can be used more on track and with more involvement and excitement.

However, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wClYhdiCSHs , and this is mainly why i prefer Audi as i am not such a good driver

[doodlebug]

Interesting though that the latest M3/4 have not generally been met with warmth. Cayman GTS if you only need two seats.

[Graeme4130]

"Where as the rs4 is more "really, you can try, I too cool to shout but I'll have you."

but you well know it it won't have the M4/M3

i too like the Audi and while the C6 is a fast car is almost just as blunt, the reason i am holding to it yet is that it is such a great compromise, it is not the best out there in its league and so is the story with the RS4 and mainly all RS cars, they're a great compromise cars, but if i had to choose a sportier car more focused for track days it would most likely be the 1M Coupe or the soon to come M2 or even the M3/M4. I am not BMW's advocate, but with all due respect, the aforementioned ones are really good track weapons compared to their Audi rivals, yes the four rings ones do offer AWD, so overall they are more usable in the UK climate, but putting that aside along with the so called bad image(which to me it doesn't really matter, i buy it for myself not for my neighbor so i don't give a <beep> what people think) that BMW owners have, and at the end of the day i still think it's a better driver's car.

Each to his own, but that's my opinion in regards to getting a car that can be used more on track and with more involvement and excitement.

However, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wClYhdiCSHs , and this is mainly why i prefer Audi as i am not such a good driver

In a straight line, an m3/4 mullers an RS4, but in the corners it's s different matter. Like I said above, I go up against a good friend in his regularly, and there's nothing in it on a normal road. Had s play on the track with one at donnington recently, and it couldn't keep up with me
And to say the m3/4 is the drivers choice - have you driven the m3/4 in its current giuise ? It's not like the m3's of the past. Times have changed and I think turbo charging has ruined what was the purists choice

[Kiteral]

Having had an M4 for three weeks now, been looking on here as selling a few bits from the S4.

It's had its running service done, so got to use the full beans last week.

It's a totally different animal to the RS4, noise is subjective but of course I love it ! It squirms and fidgets over bumpy roads due to the direct connection of the rear subframe to the chassis, turn in is excellent, mpg is amazing, I reckon an easy 30mpg on a motorway cruise.

If you leave the TC on and boot it round corners it really does cut the power, so it has a disadvantage to the RS4 but if you turned it off or used MDM mode would be interesting then to see how it compares in the dry...I have not had the minstrels yet to do that !

Interior is better to look at than the RS4 but not as well built but the tech is years ahead of the B8.

[kmpowell]

Whilst I haven't owned a new gen M3/M4, before the B8 I did own a 1M which is in essence the same sort of power delivery arrangement (twin turbo etc). BMW were very sly in keeping the published BHP/Torque figures of the 1M down to ensure sales of the M3 weren't hurt, but instead of the published 340, they regularly see 360+ on dynos. I maintain that in the dry the 1M would see off the B8 in a number of situations before you get to silly speeds... but, as I said in another thread I would hazard a guess that the buyers of the B8 are generally looking for an all round package to suit lugging/family requirements, and if they didn't have those commitments they wouldn't be in a B8, I know I wouldn't!

So show me another 4WD estate that has north of 400bhp and I'll gladly entertain the "versus" debate, but for me the B8 is a package, it doesn't excel in one specific thing it's just really good at everything without significant compromise. It reminds me of marginal gains being a sum of its parts, so comparing it to cars like the M4 is quite pointless becasue they are aimed/designed/created for two very different markets.

[RossDagley]

If you leave the TC on and boot it round corners it really does cut the power, so it has a disadvantage to the RS4 but if you turned it off or used MDM mode would be interesting then to see how it compares in the dry...I have not had the minstrels yet to do that !

But this is also part of it. You don't need balls to drive the RS4 quick. It allows even the untalented to appear talented. It doesn't want to kill you at the first opportunity like an M car does.

And we're talking about in the dry. In the wet, there's no discussion. M owners are taking the daily driver because they're scared of a wet roundabout :p

[carsarecool]

Having had an M4 for three weeks now, been looking on here as selling a few bits from the S4.

It's had its running service done, so got to use the full beans last week.

It's a totally different animal to the RS4, noise is subjective but of course I love it ! It squirms and fidgets over bumpy roads due to the direct connection of the rear subframe to the chassis, turn in is excellent, mpg is amazing, I reckon an easy 30mpg on a motorway cruise.

If you leave the TC on and boot it round corners it really does cut the power, so it has a disadvantage to the RS4 but if you turned it off or used MDM mode would be interesting then to see how it compares in the dry...I have not had the minstrels yet to do that !

Interior is better to look at than the RS4 but not as well built but the tech is years ahead of the B8.

Great to hear from an M4 owner. What tech is better in the M4? Is there much room in the back? What's the coup with the noise?

My Wife has just picked up a Mk7 Golf GTD and the Adaptive Cruise Control is genius. It will take you to a stop and with a tap of the accelerator it starts agin still in ACC mode....rather than the RS4 switching ACC off below circa. 15MPH. In traffic it's great as you don't need to brake or accelerate.

Dunno what else the RS4 is missing vs. others

[bam_bam]

My Wife has just picked up a Mk7 Golf GTD and the Adaptive Cruise Control is genius. It will take you to a stop and with a tap of the accelerator it starts agin still in ACC mode....rather than the RS4 switching ACC off below circa. 15MPH. In traffic it's great as you don't need to brake or accelerate.

Yeah but does it have a pedestrian detection safety feature better than Volvo's?

[RIV]

You wouldn't do that?
Bet he doesn't work for Volvo anymore

[Graeme4130]

My Wife has just picked up a Mk7 Golf GTD and the Adaptive Cruise Control is genius. It will take you to a stop and with a tap of the accelerator it starts agin still in ACC mode....rather than the RS4 switching ACC off below circa. 15MPH. In traffic it's great as you don't need to brake or accelerate.

Yeah but does it have a pedestrian detection safety feature better than Volvo's?

I nearly spilt my coffee all over my lap when i watched that. I was expecting a gentle cruise in, not a full bore ramp at the dude

I don't see much difference in tech between the BM and the RS4 other than perhaps the voice activation system is a bit more intuitive

The sound in the M3 is good, but in typical BMW fashion, then seem to want to pump more noise through the speaker system (same in the M5)
If you didn't know it was there, it wouldn't bother you and you probably wouldn't even notice, but once you know it's there, it annoys the crap out of you and you can't turn it off. It's actually a decent sounding car from the outside, which is at odds with some other turbo cars

[Kiteral]

The active sound can be annoying on the motorway but there is an easy fix for it.

Tech wise, much larger satnav screen, HUD, active traffic displayed on satnav, I would say the B & O is much better than the HK stereo though.

Rear space is slightly bigger than an S5. Early days for me with the Beemer and its sometimes good to see if the grass is greener.

[bam_bam]

I nearly spilt my coffee all over my lap when i watched that. I was expecting a gentle cruise in, not a full bore ramp at the dude

What I found particularly funny is the absolute faith the head Volvo guy has, not even removing his hands from his pockets until he was about to kiss the bonnet.
Apparently someone had switched the system off before the demo, seems counter intuitive but who knows, Volvo are pretty forward-thinking.

[RossDagley]

I nearly spilt my coffee all over my lap when i watched that. I was expecting a gentle cruise in, not a full bore ramp at the dude

What I found particularly funny is the absolute faith the head Volvo guy has, not even removing his hands from his pockets until he was about to kiss the bonnet.
Apparently someone had switched the system off before the demo, seems counter intuitive but who knows, Volvo are pretty forward-thinking.

Apparently the car wasn't even specc'd with the avoidance system required to even SEE pedestrians...

[RIV]

Apparently the car wasn't even specc'd with the avoidance system required to even SEE pedestrians...

Maybe they just wanted to kill him, and take over his position in the company