Does anybody know where the secondhand market prices for RS6 models arrive from. Glasses Guide do not show these cars ?
What are people's thought's on depreciation, are prices falling badly or settling down? I've been stung quite badly on an E46 M3 coupe and am thinking of joining the Audi brand for something different but don't want to jump out of the fire and into the frying pan.
I know everycar loses money but I think you all know where I'm coming from.
I've placed a £250 deposit on a pre-owned RS6 advant at an Audi dealer. It's an ex Audi UK car, does anybody have anything good or bad to say about these cars, apparently it was a show car and not a press car and has a very low mileage for the age of vehicle.
Enough waffling from me
Cheers
Who sets RS prices
Hi Demon
Sorry to hear that you got burned on the M3. It's a great car (I've had 4!!) but you need to buy it cheaply and sell hard.
Irrespective the RS6 is a great car but it is the Audi dealers and buyers who dictate the market. It doesn't book in Glass's (and it never will) so you have find the car you, want after lots of research, and buy it for as little as possible. A car at, say, £49,995 probably "owes" the dealer between £42-£46k-depending on how he came by it of course-so there is lots of margin to go for...
I've noticed that Audi dealers seem to sit on RS6's for a long time, so you might want to find out when they first took it on and then push for the very best deal possible. The values for these cars are all over the place right now and dealers don't buy them back unless they are silly cheap, even avants. I have a friend who had an almost new 04 Daytona Grey Avant with 2/3k miles that cost him £64k and he sold it for £48k after 2 months and calling a huge amount of dealers....
Would be pleased to help you if you need any other tips/hints on the trade/prices side....
Sorry to hear that you got burned on the M3. It's a great car (I've had 4!!) but you need to buy it cheaply and sell hard.
Irrespective the RS6 is a great car but it is the Audi dealers and buyers who dictate the market. It doesn't book in Glass's (and it never will) so you have find the car you, want after lots of research, and buy it for as little as possible. A car at, say, £49,995 probably "owes" the dealer between £42-£46k-depending on how he came by it of course-so there is lots of margin to go for...
I've noticed that Audi dealers seem to sit on RS6's for a long time, so you might want to find out when they first took it on and then push for the very best deal possible. The values for these cars are all over the place right now and dealers don't buy them back unless they are silly cheap, even avants. I have a friend who had an almost new 04 Daytona Grey Avant with 2/3k miles that cost him £64k and he sold it for £48k after 2 months and calling a huge amount of dealers....
Would be pleased to help you if you need any other tips/hints on the trade/prices side....
I can agree with Gareth - values seem to be all over the place; i had an 04 avant 6 months old and was offered £40k by a porsche dealer 'friend' for it, in the end I got well over £50k for it from an Audi dealer (against, of course, a brand new RS6+ which he had been sitting on for a while). My old car is still sitting in his showroom nearly three months on, so I imagine theres a great deal on it to be had by someone (One careful owner, no accidents, chauffer driven from new, etc etc).
Hi Demon,
I spent quite a few weeks checking the Audi Approved website several times a day before I bought my RS6 in January this year. The prices do vary wildly, as do the length of time they're advertised before being sold. Some dealers charging high prices did seem to sit on their cars for ages (in fact I've just done a search and some of the more optimistically priced cars are still there), but conversely late cars with low mileages which were keenly priced didn't hang around for long - some were even sold on the first day they were advertised, and more than once I phoned about a car only to be told it had just been sold.
Depreciation wise they seemed to take a tumble towards the end of last year, but the prices seem to have settled since Christmas - at least from what I can see on the Audi approved cars. In avant form at least the car doesn't have any real competetitors and with only 1000 or so units in the country my opinion is that depreciation will continue to be a little kinder than to, say, BMW's M5. But at the end of the day it's still a big car with big running costs and these rarely fare that well depreciation wise, and even moderate percentage losses translate into big £££'s. I paid 20% less than list for my 10 month old 7000 miler from an Audi dealer and reckon it will probably lose about the same again in the two years or so I'm likely to keep it. Nothing new-ish, modern and desirable is depreciation proof anyway - I lost 15k in 2 years on the 996 I had before the RS6, and that was supposedly the second slowest depreciating car on the market.
My car is an ex-Audi car but the condition can only be described as mint. I was fortunate enough to be able to examine the car at the dealers the day after they got it in and before it was prep'd for sale and I couldn't find a mark on the exterior or interior, all the wheels were unmarked and still plenty left on the tyres. This contrasted to some 1-owner privately owned cars I looked at which had scuffed wheels and shagged tyres at 10k. The saved routes in the car's sat-nav also seemed to indicate a car which had been used as someone's company car rather than ragged as a track-demonstrator. So I'd say to primarily buy on condition/inspection. You've got the balance of warranty if anything goes wrong anyway, and this can be extended to 4/5 years.
Anyway enough waffling from me...good luck with your car if you go ahead.
Gary.
I spent quite a few weeks checking the Audi Approved website several times a day before I bought my RS6 in January this year. The prices do vary wildly, as do the length of time they're advertised before being sold. Some dealers charging high prices did seem to sit on their cars for ages (in fact I've just done a search and some of the more optimistically priced cars are still there), but conversely late cars with low mileages which were keenly priced didn't hang around for long - some were even sold on the first day they were advertised, and more than once I phoned about a car only to be told it had just been sold.
Depreciation wise they seemed to take a tumble towards the end of last year, but the prices seem to have settled since Christmas - at least from what I can see on the Audi approved cars. In avant form at least the car doesn't have any real competetitors and with only 1000 or so units in the country my opinion is that depreciation will continue to be a little kinder than to, say, BMW's M5. But at the end of the day it's still a big car with big running costs and these rarely fare that well depreciation wise, and even moderate percentage losses translate into big £££'s. I paid 20% less than list for my 10 month old 7000 miler from an Audi dealer and reckon it will probably lose about the same again in the two years or so I'm likely to keep it. Nothing new-ish, modern and desirable is depreciation proof anyway - I lost 15k in 2 years on the 996 I had before the RS6, and that was supposedly the second slowest depreciating car on the market.
My car is an ex-Audi car but the condition can only be described as mint. I was fortunate enough to be able to examine the car at the dealers the day after they got it in and before it was prep'd for sale and I couldn't find a mark on the exterior or interior, all the wheels were unmarked and still plenty left on the tyres. This contrasted to some 1-owner privately owned cars I looked at which had scuffed wheels and shagged tyres at 10k. The saved routes in the car's sat-nav also seemed to indicate a car which had been used as someone's company car rather than ragged as a track-demonstrator. So I'd say to primarily buy on condition/inspection. You've got the balance of warranty if anything goes wrong anyway, and this can be extended to 4/5 years.
Anyway enough waffling from me...good luck with your car if you go ahead.
Gary.
Is that the misano red car being advertised by Perth Audi? Although I think that colour looks good on the RS6, resale might be more tricky as most buyers of "executive" cars apparently want dark metallics and silver.Demon wrote:How about a year old March 2004 Avant with 2000 miles on the clock for £46k - does that sound ok.
Also check it has the sat-nav+/TV.
But nevertheless I think it's a pretty good price.
Gary.
Hi Gary,
Thanks for the great write up. Yes the car in question is in Perth and I have got first refusal (well I assume so as I have placed a deposit on it and their Finance chap has already telephoned me touting for business). I wanted a red car with silver leather anyway so I would risk the colour. This car is an ex Audi UK show car, but the dealers don't know the spec yet so I'm waiting for it to turn up. The web suggests it has a radio/cassette /cd which sounds like it may not have a satnav screen, but then there are lot's of car's on the Audi used car site that state 18" wheels when they are 19"s so I'm hoping the spec is wrong.
It makes you wonder how a dealer can buy a car from Audi UK, price it up and not know what the spec is ?
Does anybody have any contacts at Audi UK to find out more about this car ? if they do, I can be contacted on 01604 598533 (daytime)
Thanks to everybody else helping me with my decision, this seems like a friendly forum.
Cheers for now
Steve
Thanks for the great write up. Yes the car in question is in Perth and I have got first refusal (well I assume so as I have placed a deposit on it and their Finance chap has already telephoned me touting for business). I wanted a red car with silver leather anyway so I would risk the colour. This car is an ex Audi UK show car, but the dealers don't know the spec yet so I'm waiting for it to turn up. The web suggests it has a radio/cassette /cd which sounds like it may not have a satnav screen, but then there are lot's of car's on the Audi used car site that state 18" wheels when they are 19"s so I'm hoping the spec is wrong.
It makes you wonder how a dealer can buy a car from Audi UK, price it up and not know what the spec is ?
Does anybody have any contacts at Audi UK to find out more about this car ? if they do, I can be contacted on 01604 598533 (daytime)
Thanks to everybody else helping me with my decision, this seems like a friendly forum.
Cheers for now
Steve
RS6 Avant and SL 500
Demon,
You can try Audi customer services on 0800 699 888. They answered some questions on my car.
Regarding the SatNav+/TV, when I was looking around it was a "must have" for me. But after owning the car for a month I'm not so sure. I use the Sat Nav display in the DIS over the screen in the unit itself, and the TV reception whilst usually passable to good is little more than a gimmick - ok while waiting for the wife to come out of a shop or for watching the six nations last weekend whilst crawling through traffic, but it's hardly essential. I also find the BOSE Concert sound system a little underpowered, and maybe the Symphony is better? Anyway I guess what I'm saying is that I would no longer rule out a car without SatNav+ if the price was right.
Gary.
You can try Audi customer services on 0800 699 888. They answered some questions on my car.
Regarding the SatNav+/TV, when I was looking around it was a "must have" for me. But after owning the car for a month I'm not so sure. I use the Sat Nav display in the DIS over the screen in the unit itself, and the TV reception whilst usually passable to good is little more than a gimmick - ok while waiting for the wife to come out of a shop or for watching the six nations last weekend whilst crawling through traffic, but it's hardly essential. I also find the BOSE Concert sound system a little underpowered, and maybe the Symphony is better? Anyway I guess what I'm saying is that I would no longer rule out a car without SatNav+ if the price was right.
Gary.
It does, but one of the options is to replace the BOSE Concert with BOSE Symphony hi-fi, in which case you lose the TV screen and SatNav display in the centre console, and instead have a SatNav system which just uses the DIS in the instrument binacle.DuncS3 wrote:I thought the RS6 came with Sat Nav as standard? Seems like it doesnt from your comments above though
Dunc
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Dont they use the red avants with light coloured leather for the Audi experience days at Silverstone? Not sure if I'd buy one of those!!Demon wrote:Hi Gary,
Thanks for the great write up. Yes the car in question is in Perth and I have got first refusal (well I assume so as I have placed a deposit on it and their Finance chap has already telephoned me touting for business). I wanted a red car with silver leather anyway so I would risk the colour. This car is an ex Audi UK show car, but the dealers don't know the spec yet so I'm waiting for it to turn up. The web suggests it has a radio/cassette /cd which sounds like it may not have a satnav screen, but then there are lot's of car's on the Audi used car site that state 18" wheels when they are 19"s so I'm hoping the spec is wrong.
It makes you wonder how a dealer can buy a car from Audi UK, price it up and not know what the spec is ?
Does anybody have any contacts at Audi UK to find out more about this car ? if they do, I can be contacted on 01604 598533 (daytime)
Thanks to everybody else helping me with my decision, this seems like a friendly forum.
Cheers for now
Steve
Having been in the 'trade' a number of years ago I can say that timing is important in the price a dealer is willing to let a second-hand car go for. If there has been a change of number plate recently, the dealer will have quite a lot of stock on the forecourt that has been paid for, but not sold, so their interest charges at the bank are high. The Ford dealership I worked for would see a £50 profit on a second hand car as a good deal during this period. Another good one for some Audi dealers is towards the end of the month when sales targets are approaching. A salesman would accept less than at the beginning of the month if that sale meant they won one of the 'target prizes' e.g. Caribbean holiday!
The price they advertise a car for means very little if you are part-exchanging. What really matters is the differential between the two cars. Even if a dealer appears to be asking over the odds for a car, make them what you think is a sensible offer and they might go for it, especially if the car has been in stock for some months.
The price they advertise a car for means very little if you are part-exchanging. What really matters is the differential between the two cars. Even if a dealer appears to be asking over the odds for a car, make them what you think is a sensible offer and they might go for it, especially if the car has been in stock for some months.
According to Audi Customer Service (thanks for the number Gary) and after passing me around various Department's, I am told the car was used as a demonstrator travelling around the country for use by Dealers who were not running their own demonstrator.londonplus wrote: Dont they use the red avants with light coloured leather for the Audi experience days at Silverstone? Not sure if I'd buy one of those!!
Audi categorically deny the car was used by Silverstone or any other circuit.
I hope they are telling the truth then
Not sure which one is worse? Demo hack or track victim? If a dealer has borrowed one on demo then why should they look after it as it's not their money?
The RS4 I once looked at had been used in this way and was a bag of <beep>. Not to say that this one is, but I doubt it's had an easy life.
Misano/silver is gorgeous by the way - great choice, especially with piano trim
All the best
Ben
The RS4 I once looked at had been used in this way and was a bag of <beep>. Not to say that this one is, but I doubt it's had an easy life.
Misano/silver is gorgeous by the way - great choice, especially with piano trim
All the best
Ben
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