Loss of power

[HYFR]

I think a factor is how well it's calibrated to a particular car.... I think the JLR engineers have done a great job with it and their 5.0V8 supercharged 550PS engine....other application may not be calibrated in the same way

[doodlebug]

The E63S with the MCT is probably the quickest such car on the road with a 0-62 of 3.6secs which eclipses it's competition so the new box has made a huge difference.

3.6? Where's that come from?

Merc quote 4.2 for the S estate. 4.1 for the S taxi.

[GLM]

The E63S with the MCT is probably the quickest such car on the road with a 0-62 of 3.6secs which eclipses it's competition so the new box has made a huge difference.

3.6? Where's that come from?

Merc quote 4.2 for the S estate. 4.1 for the S taxi.

think its 3.6sec for the non-uk versions - i.e. with the 4matic/all wheel drive set-up

[doodlebug]

The E63S with the MCT is probably the quickest such car on the road with a 0-62 of 3.6secs which eclipses it's competition so the new box has made a huge difference.

3.6? Where's that come from?

Merc quote 4.2 for the S estate. 4.1 for the S taxi.

think its 3.6sec for the non-uk versions - i.e. with the 4matic/all wheel drive set-up

Ah ha, that makes more sense.

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I'm still a manual gearbox fan
It's taken lots of practice to heel n toe combined with left foot braking (with LFB being WASTED on the audi... gave me a shock the first time I tried it I can tell you!)
It may be slower and it may be less smooth but for sheer buzz it's bliss when you get it just right.

I do wonder why they haven't put 2+2 together on the DSG type boxes... I mean you could have a conventional third pedal with a sensor (and maybe force feedback) and then active a "manual" mode on the transmission. Then the "active" clutch (which ever one that may be) is controlled by the third pedal and then can swap gears and rev match etc... When finished, back into auto mode and job done. You can still have some electronic protection to prevent damage from abuse easily enough. The mechanics for everything is already there and would be mainly software.

[bam_bam]

I do wonder why they haven't put 2+2 together on the DSG type boxes... I mean you could have a conventional third pedal with a sensor (and maybe force feedback) and then active a "manual" mode on the transmission. Then the "active" clutch (which ever one that may be) is controlled by the third pedal and then can swap gears and rev match etc... When finished, back into auto mode and job done. You can still have some electronic protection to prevent damage from abuse easily enough. The mechanics for everything is already there and would be mainly software.

If you build it, I will cum.

[W8PMC]

The E63S with the MCT is probably the quickest such car on the road with a 0-62 of 3.6secs which eclipses it's competition so the new box has made a huge difference.

3.6? Where's that come from?

Merc quote 4.2 for the S estate. 4.1 for the S taxi.

think its 3.6sec for the non-uk versions - i.e. with the 4matic/all wheel drive set-up

On further investigation, it appears so although you can spec one for the UK but it would be LHD.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Sea ... AR-review/

Still quite some achievement given the RS6 moving the bar below 4sec was impressive so dropping still further gives some kudos to AMG.

[W8PMC]

I think a factor is how well it's calibrated to a particular car.... I think the JLR engineers have done a great job with it and their 5.0V8 supercharged 550PS engine....other application may not be calibrated in the same way

Totally agree. The 7sp S-Tronic in my wives Q5 is about as dynamic as a refrigerator & that's as far as i can fathom out the same as the box in the TTRS, however i'm sure in the TTRS it must have some tweaks to the software.

[DragonRR]

Have heard of a few rs5 and rs3 DSG going up the swanny, lest forget the 3.2 V6 DSG

The ZF 8speed is where it's at

Test drove it in the F TYPE R and it makes a DSG redundant as the shifts are blind of any eye quick and you still get the drama and theatre of gears shifting up and down with the farts and pops and bangs and rev match, but then the ultimate smoothness around town

It's a gem

And can handle big torques

Really? It's a nice box in all i've driven with it fitted, but the drama is far more manufactured (software) than mechanical which is why personally i feel the dual clutch application is far better suited to performance cars. Agreed it may not be perfect & agree it's no doubt failed in some applications, but then so has the ZF 8 speed. I guess where the ZF8 may have a slight advantage is the night/day ability so in Sports mode/flappy paddle it is quick & makes all the right noises, but in slush mode it's probably smoother than a dual clutch for cruising. That said, i still feel a modern DSG will perform better across the performance spectrum & give better feedback, but perhaps at the slight sacrifice of out & out smoothness when cruising.

I could of cause be talking total bollox as can only speak from my experiences

Agree with this. The M5 double clutch is faster and more aggressive. It isn't as smooth as the ZF but the gear changes are noticeably quicker. I tended to drive my M5 in full manual with the gear changes on the fastest setting. Having tried this in the RS6 - it just doesn't work well imo, you can sometimes catch it out and it lags. I usually drive in Sport auto using the paddles when preparing to over take or just for fun. Probably also worth pointing out that the M5 never seemed OK in full auto, maybe the latest one's have better software!

I'm just about to change (this week) to a 991 Turbo S and the PDK system in that is really in a different league... although I suppose it should be!

[doodlebug]

Yep 991 Turbo S is the daddy. Next on my list when gen 2 appears. That stupid multi function steering wheel with the sliders is a put off. Standard wheel with paddles is OK, but you really need the MFSW controls.

Did you order new?

[DragonRR]

Yep 991 Turbo S is the daddy. Next on my list when gen 2 appears. That stupid multi function steering wheel with the sliders is a put off. Standard wheel with paddles is OK, but you really need the MFSW controls.

Did you order new?

No, although only a few months old and less than 2k miles. It has the standard steering wheel with paddles, cannot stand the old style thumb things - they are just wrong. Out of interest it's about a grand to switch the multi function wheel out for the paddle type. I hear that Porsche are revising the MFSW to have paddles in the not too distant future although the standard wheel looks very nice and simple. I will have to see how I cope without the wheel controls although I already miss the telephone functions from the M5.. Why Audi thought pressing a rolling button was acceptable... I will never understand!

Spec is low compared to my RS6, haven't even got a reversing camera but I do have the glass roof and a few other bits and bobs and of course Ceramic brakes etc.. I hadn't driven a 911 since I tried a 997 Turbo S a couple of years ago. I was surprised how different the 991 felt against the old 997, much faster, much more planted, better in every respect (imo).

I will be sorry to see the RS6 go, it's only six months old and so much more practical... but you only live once.

[doodlebug]

Indeed!

The MFSW in the Macan has paddles, so only a matter of time. I found myself constantly changing down when I meant to go up.

I guess there's less overall tech available in the 991 than the A6, but there's plenty enough, and the engine/gearbox combo wipes the floor with the competition at similar money. R8 wouldn't see which way it'd gone.

[DragonRR]

Actually.. other than lane change assist and the HUD (which, if my memory serves me correctly, you hate for aesthetic reasons), most options are available including adaptive cruise control.

I will miss the HUD.. It will take some time to adjust to having to look down again. Maybe Gen 2 will have it.

[doodlebug]

Yeah, can live without HUD in its current guise.

No need to look down, you WILL be doing warp speed.

[DragonRR]

Yeah, can live without HUD in its current guise.

No need to look down, you WILL be doing warp speed.

LOL yes.