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Re: massive power loss :(

Post by DaytonaRs4 » Tue May 20, 2014 7:33 am

MartayMcFly wrote:Keen to see what Autohaus manage to do with the decoke, they're a lot handier to get down to than MRC.
yeah i almost planned for the trip to MRC, went through to autohaus had a talk with them and they knew thier stuff with our cars, theyv done quite a few decoke's..i thought its worth a try save the long journey to mrc....

should be picking up friday so will update on results
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Re: massive power loss :(

Post by DaytonaRs4 » Tue May 20, 2014 7:37 am

Rick_RS4 wrote:im not trying to sound like Arthur here but 100+ bhp from carbon buildup? thats got to be bad.

was it dynod in the correct gear, loading right etc?

also the figures above from MRC i know are top blokes when it comes to audis but whats stopping them upping the load on the first run, doing the clean, then rollering it on normal load to get customer happy figures,

a carbon clean will make the engine alot smoother and felt freer revving , well it did for me

im not trying to flame anyone or thing here its just observations
i think the dyno run was spot on to be honest...im no expert but looking at my run chart the power drops off severly after 6800 rpm....comparing to mrc dyno runs on facebooki think mine is losing big time top end power.....possibly retarding the timing due to massive buildup/restrictions?
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Re: massive power loss :(

Post by DaytonaRs4 » Tue May 20, 2014 7:40 am

toshers wrote:Really keen to hear how you get on at Autohaus. That's a couple of us now, so a write up would be very welcome :thumbs:

update on friday / saturday...
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Re: massive power loss :(

Post by PetrolDave » Tue May 20, 2014 8:54 am

RossDagley wrote:Decoke and vac fix replaced a missing 105bhp.
IIRC MRC have suggested on here in the past that a vac leak is worth about 60bhp+ and carbon build-up about 30bhp+.
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Re: massive power loss :(

Post by RossDagley » Tue May 20, 2014 9:02 am

No doubting it! AmD said my coking was the worst they had ever seen. I'll get some photos up in another thread. But it was sure pretty bad!
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Post by neilparf » Tue May 20, 2014 12:14 pm

PetrolDave wrote:
RossDagley wrote:Decoke and vac fix replaced a missing 105bhp.
IIRC MRC have suggested on here in the past that a vac leak is worth about 60bhp+ and carbon build-up about 30bhp+.
+1 - I had my valve vac pipe come free and instant vacuum loss - it ran like a dog with a vacuum issue...
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Re: massive power loss :(

Post by toyneg » Tue May 20, 2014 12:31 pm

Rick_RS4 wrote:
S4Player wrote: Think that's a bit strong suggesting Mrc loading up the dyno

yeah sorry i worded it incorrectly, i meant like different users doing before and after, also different temps etc, but 100bhp increase is awesome , my last rr was 394 without carbon clean, so hoping for a bit more this time round now its cleaned
I originally realised mine was low on power at the AMD Rolling road day we had last year, MRC fixed the issue with full decoke and stage 2 and it made a massive performance difference.
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Re: massive power loss :(

Post by DaytonaRs4 » Tue May 20, 2014 12:39 pm

great stuff guys...Im really looking forward to collecting the car on friday...:)

might end up spanking a full tank of v-power before saturday tho...
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Post by neilparf » Tue May 20, 2014 1:41 pm

DaytonaRs4 wrote:spanking a full tank of v-power
THE V-BSATRD!

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Re: massive power loss :(

Post by DaytonaRs4 » Tue May 20, 2014 2:16 pm

yeah i use that also....get a discount on bp ultimate but its gash
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Post by neilparf » Tue May 20, 2014 2:40 pm

DaytonaRs4 wrote:yeah i use that also....get a discount on bp ultimate but its gash
Gash because it's 97 RON...
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Re: massive power loss :(

Post by TonyHayers » Tue May 20, 2014 3:18 pm

PetrolDave wrote:
RossDagley wrote:Decoke and vac fix replaced a missing 105bhp.
IIRC MRC have suggested on here in the past that a vac leak is worth about 60bhp+ and carbon build-up about 30bhp+.
With a vac leak is it just that vac operated stuff like manifold and airbox flaps don't operate or does the actual loss of vacuum causing a problem elsewhere?
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Post by neilparf » Tue May 20, 2014 3:24 pm

TonyHayers wrote:
PetrolDave wrote:
RossDagley wrote:Decoke and vac fix replaced a missing 105bhp.
IIRC MRC have suggested on here in the past that a vac leak is worth about 60bhp+ and carbon build-up about 30bhp+.
With a vac leak is it just that vac operated stuff like manifold and airbox flaps don't operate or does the actual loss of vacuum causing a problem elsewhere?
Tony, yes a vac leak will causes a loss of power. If there is a break anywhere in the circuit then none of these items will operate as they should and in the case of the intake manifold flaps, the ECU will <beep> the timing to protect the engine and restrict power output. The intake manifold flaps, intake air change over flap and exhaust valves can all fail individually too. My Valve vac pipe came lose on one side and the whole car was like a dog - retarded timing. It's all interconnected and very symbiotic.

In my case the the low pressure or leak of the vac system will cause manifold flaps to tumble in a very lame fashion. I did the power flap test with VCDS (http://forum.rs246.com/viewtopic.php?t=77235) and I could see all the associated vac items 'up front' after building vacuum operate in a very 'lazy' fashion. The exhaust flaps rattled and were not positive in actualion. Re-connect the vac pipe to the exhaust valves and build vacuum again, ran test and all vac items were far more positive in actuation...
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Re: massive power loss :(

Post by TonyHayers » Tue May 20, 2014 3:44 pm

How does the ECU know to <beep> timing?

ah. maybe from the manifold flap position sensor not corresponding to the value the ECU expects it to be at?

I'm 99% sure there is no position sensor on the airbox flap or exhaust flaps.
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Re: massive power loss :(

Post by DaytonaRs4 » Tue May 20, 2014 4:00 pm

With a vac leak is it just that vac operated stuff like manifold and airbox flaps don't operate or does the actual loss of vacuum causing a problem elsewhere?[/quote]
Tony, yes a vac leak will causes a loss of power. If there is a break anywhere in the circuit then none of these items will operate as they should and in the case of the intake manifold flaps, the ECU will <beep> the timing to protect the engine and restrict power output. The intake manifold flaps, intake air change over flap and exhaust valves can all fail individually too. My Valve vac pipe came lose on one side and the whole car was like a dog - retarded timing. It's all interconnected and very symbiotic.

In my case the the low pressure or leak of the vac system will cause manifold flaps to tumble in a very lame fashion. I did the power flap test with VCDS (http://forum.rs246.com/viewtopic.php?t=77235) and I could see all the associated vac items 'up front' after building vacuum operate in a very 'lazy' fashion. The exhaust flaps rattled and were not positive in actualion. Re-connect the vac pipe to the exhaust valves and build vacuum again, ran test and all vac items were far more positive in actuation...[/quote]

great bit of info neil...should hear some feedback from autohaus in next day or so and will update on the culprit
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