RS7 APR Reflash....

[sakimano]

I can promise you guys that audi dragstrip participation over here is the same as it is over there.

Using a top gear lap as a benchmark is crap because top gear is not measuring POWER and acceleration alone with that lap board. Handling anyone? Further they use one driver because of the shocking number of variables in a lap time. Last time I checked virtually everything we buy that is contestable is power related. So why do a handling test?

When top gear measures power between cars, yes they use a drag race or top speed run .

And bambam if I had a good business as mrc do, i would definitely make actual real acceleration the benchmark. If my parts worked that is.

People who 'can't be arsed' because business is so good are often the ones who scratch their head wondering why business is shyte.

If your parts work, you want the highest standard possible for proof. The dyno is a joke. Any dickhead can open up a Shop with a dyno, lie about his parts and be on par with mrc from a tuner provided 'proof' point of view as of tomorrow. Since the owners 'can't be arsed' to ask for more, they'll be scammed sooner or later.

Actually...it has already happened with plenty of parts and companies in the UK market. As well as over here.

[bam_bam]

You've clearly never tried to book your car into MRC, it's always rammed. The worst thing? Every time I show up they're always stood in the middle of a packed workshop with the phone ringing off the hook and their car park too full to swing a cat... and they're scratching their heads saying "how is this possible, we haven't even posted any real acceleration benchmarks on the Internet?!?!"

Saki, I like your posts, I 'get' you and your point of view but you're being obstinate, so please, don't take this the wrong way when I say this but you're a fucken idiot.

I'll try to make this point once more:
Scenario - you are running a business that is making cash "hand-over-fist" based on reputation and, in part, how you communicate your results (via dyno graphs) to your existing and potential customers.

Proposed change - move from the widely understood and accepted (within Europe) measurement (dyno graph) to a lesser understood nor respected (within Europe) acceleration benchmark (drag strip quarter mile slip).

Observation - you want to make changes to a perfectly working business with customers new and old coming out your ears, all for what? To satisfy some 'Merican forum users that are never going to use your services!?!? Now I can see why you've been so successful at running your own tuning company.

Summing up - unless the current accepted measurement is deemed dishonest, inaccurate or irrelevant, why would you change the measurement, especially when it's been so good for business? i.e. It currently works very well, why break it? Unless customers start demanding quarter mile time slips (either directly or indirectly) then why change a profitable business? Besides, if MRC were not tuning cars to a level matching their dyno output, don't you think they'd have been found out by now? C'mon, they've been at this a fair old while now, right?

I'm not sure why you're rapping on about this, maybe you've got some ulterior motive. I'd like to speculate that you've got a lovely spreadsheet of tuner drag times and MRC has left a huge gap making your once pretty spreadsheet look unsightly, ugly even. If this is the case might I suggest that you take up collecting Pokémon, it'll be an easier 'collect 'em all' experience for you... and us. So I arrive back to my previous comment; you're a fucken idiot, but that's alright, I'm a <beep>.

[RIV]

No reply!! Good job done

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Can't resist my two cents

I get quarter mile times and accept it within reason of the margin of error.
Likewise with a dyno - the margin of measuring error is surprisingly large.

As for testing a power mod on track - well it is valid to a degree. Changing the characteristics of an engine can transform (and not always in a good way) the whole balance of the car. It all depends what you are after.
Couple examples - mental fwd cars with 500 bhp. Surprising good in a straight line but tricky as feck to get round a corner. Similarly with the aerial atom - the non supercharged atom 2 is a joy to drive and really well sorted. The 3 with the supercharger makes it very fast in a straight line but almost impossible to get round corners (lurches from under to oversteer and back again). Granted, a fair chunk of that is down to the driver but it's still a valid concern. (It's why I went for the slower, heavier and less powerful 211 that posts faster lap times)

I've also sat waiting at mrc and bam's observations above are pretty valid. They may not be the best and they may not post the fastest times but just try parking your car there. Whatever they are doing does seem to be generating a lot of trade so can't criticise too much.

As for taking customer cars to the drag strip - c'mon... The b7 is what... Sub 20k 5 year plus car. Compared to an 80k + c7 car some people may not want their car doing that. They may be unwarranted and worthy of a snigger but it's their cash and their car so their rules.

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Out of curiosity I've gotta ask - bam, what do you do?

[chunky79]

He drugs a lot of lady-boys.
He's had loads done to his cars so has picked up lots of info on the way. He's also a clever chappy (you wouldn't guess it due to on here).
Plus, he has this weird thing where he likes my mom to read car info whilst he's dressed as a baby.

Lots of guy's on here know LOADS, and I mean LOADSabout mechanics, they just have their own view on things and then it all gets messy.

[Graeme4130]

I can see Sakimo's point that a certified qtr mile would me much more transparent than a potentially innacurate RR print out
However, like bam said, the uk just isn't familiar with qtr times. I know 9s is quick, but if you told me my RS5 did 12 or 15, I'd be none the wiser

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He drugs a lot of lady-boys.
He's had loads done to his cars so has picked up lots of info on the way. He's also a clever chappy (you wouldn't guess it due to on here).
Plus, he has this weird thing where he likes my mom to read car info whilst he's dressed as a baby.

Lots of guy's on here know LOADS, and I mean LOADSabout mechanics, they just have their own view on things and then it all gets messy.

It was more the structure of the reply - very management consultancy

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I can see Sakimo's point that a certified qtr mile would me much more transparent than a potentially innacurate RR print out
However, like bam said, the uk just isn't familiar with qtr times. I know 9s is quick, but if you told me my RS5 did 12 or 15, I'd be none the wiser

My issues with 1/4 mile apart from driver inconsistency is that whilst the time is certified the car isn't.
Seen cases where times posted have been found to be running slicks with stripped out interior on race fuel.

No different with rolling road - you'd be surprised at the difference just resetting fuel trims does, tyre pressure and other settings. Again seen cases where things have been massaged.

I also detest 'ring times as anybody who has driven will appreciate just how much the driver's nerve adds to the time. Top gear times no different - not always accurate as it is an entertainment program after all. Also the reason for the stig persona is simply practical - they can't always get the same driver as most are quite busy. The masked outfit means they can (and do) chop and change drivers.

The only real way would be an engine bench dyno but obviously a lot of time and effort.

[chunky79]

He drugs a lot of lady-boys.
He's had loads done to his cars so has picked up lots of info on the way. He's also a clever chappy (you wouldn't guess it due to on here).
Plus, he has this weird thing where he likes my mom to read car info whilst he's dressed as a baby.

Lots of guy's on here know LOADS, and I mean LOADSabout mechanics, they just have their own view on things and then it all gets messy.

It was more the structure of the reply - very management consultancy

He bosses people around a lot.

[RIV]

I'm sure I remember somone saying bam was an English teacher ?

[chunky79]

I'm sure I remember somone saying bam was an English teacher ?

Who's this somone you talk of?

[bam_bam]

Your mum.

[chunky79]

From what mother says, you ain't no geography teacher. She says you don't know your way around the female body!

[bam_bam]

From what mother says, you ain't no geography teacher. She says you don't know your way around the female body!

Which is about right; if I did know my way around the female body, I'd be a biology teacher or, in the case of your mum, a bricklaying instructor.