Alternative to '6 for track days
Re: Alternative to '6 for track days
Bike mate, as you say i expect the installations are most of the problem.
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I'm getting closer to pulling the trigger on a VX220. Will be going to drive one next weekend. I can't bring myself to get the NA version when there is a faster one available, despite my much more experienced friends telling me I won't be able to drive it on the throttle due to the lag...
Anyone got any experience of either / both?
Anyone got any experience of either / both?
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Re: Alternative to '6 for track days
I've driven a well setup NA vx220, with Lotus S2 Exige suspension & rated it very highly indeed. I think the 2.2 NA is a better engine than both the Elise and the non-supercharged Exiges i've tried & the mid-engine chassis dynamics is plain superb once the understeer has been dialed out. Standard AP brakes are more than excellent once a suitable set of pads have been put on & all in all I'd say they are genuinely great cars.
All the people I know that have driven the turbo and the NA, prefer the NA car. You can get big HP out the turbo of course, but that doesn't necessarily translate to more fun... I'd be throwing a supercharger on the 2.2 for a serious track day weapon... Either that or an Elise with a supercharged Honda K20A, but you'd have to find the right one there.
All the people I know that have driven the turbo and the NA, prefer the NA car. You can get big HP out the turbo of course, but that doesn't necessarily translate to more fun... I'd be throwing a supercharger on the 2.2 for a serious track day weapon... Either that or an Elise with a supercharged Honda K20A, but you'd have to find the right one there.
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Re: Alternative to '6 for track days
What he said. I have driven both on road, between the two I would go for the na as a track car. However if I had the money a s/c exige is what I would buy.
Feel free to ignore me as I have a 20vt mk2 golf as a track toy.
Feel free to ignore me as I have a 20vt mk2 golf as a track toy.
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Aargh. I hear what you are saying, but the bhp/ton on the NA is miserable. Even an M3 would wipe the floor with it. I don't really want to go down the heavy mods route with to get "acceptable" performance. I know it's all about the cornering ability and handling, but I'm afraid I will get bored with it if it doesn't have enough poke.
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///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
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Re: Alternative to '6 for track days
The problem with the turbo vxt is that stock the throttle response is dismal. It really feels like the throttle linkage is based on elastic bands.
My cousin was at the Vxr launch in Spain and iirc three vxt's were crashed by journalists. Tricky buggers on the limit.
A Elise sport s2 190 is the same pace as a vxt, massively lighter and has a good engine with bags of character but is a handling gem.
My cousin was at the Vxr launch in Spain and iirc three vxt's were crashed by journalists. Tricky buggers on the limit.
A Elise sport s2 190 is the same pace as a vxt, massively lighter and has a good engine with bags of character but is a handling gem.
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MX-5. It's the answer to everything.
No matter where you go, there you are.
Re: Alternative to '6 for track days
What car do hair dressers lust after?bam_bam wrote:MX-5. It's the answer to everything.
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To be fair, mx5s make good track cars if properly setup.
Cheap as chips, reasonable handling, easy to fix, consumables really cheap and of course rear wheel drive.
Great cars to learn in as everything happens in a very controllable way but... Limited power does make on apex attitude control via the throttle rather limited.
Good fun though
Cheap as chips, reasonable handling, easy to fix, consumables really cheap and of course rear wheel drive.
Great cars to learn in as everything happens in a very controllable way but... Limited power does make on apex attitude control via the throttle rather limited.
Good fun though
Re: Alternative to '6 for track days
You can stick different engine in though can't you on the mx5?adsgreen wrote:To be fair, mx5s make good track cars if properly setup.
Cheap as chips, reasonable handling, easy to fix, consumables really cheap and of course rear wheel drive.
Great cars to learn in as everything happens in a very controllable way but... Limited power does make on apex attitude control via the throttle rather limited.
Good fun though
If it were me i would go with a Westfield but understand you have to be short like myself to drive one. Think if i was going for a proper car it might have to be the vxr, cheap and then get the turbo model mapped to help with the throttle response.
previous- Pug 205 gti, 306 gti, 309 gti Goodwood.
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Porsche Macan Turbo.
Gone but NEVER forgotten - C5 RS6 Misano red avant.
Now - Empty garage
If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there!
Audi S3, S4 V8 avant.
Porsche Macan Turbo.
Gone but NEVER forgotten - C5 RS6 Misano red avant.
Now - Empty garage
If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there!
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This.
It's a hard admission but every which way you look at it, this is the car you should start trackdaying in.adsgreen wrote:To be fair, mx5s make good track cars if properly setup.
Cheap as chips, reasonable handling, easy to fix, consumables really cheap and of course rear wheel drive.
Great cars to learn in as everything happens in a very controllable way but... Limited power does make on apex attitude control via the throttle rather limited.
Good fun though
No matter where you go, there you are.
Re: Alternative to '6 for track days
Absolutely - a newbie track day person will learn much more and faster in an mx5 than something regarded to be 'faster'.bam_bam wrote:This.It's a hard admission but every which way you look at it, this is the car you should start trackdaying in.adsgreen wrote:To be fair, mx5s make good track cars if properly setup.
Cheap as chips, reasonable handling, easy to fix, consumables really cheap and of course rear wheel drive.
Great cars to learn in as everything happens in a very controllable way but... Limited power does make on apex attitude control via the throttle rather limited.
Good fun though
Ironically I love Elise's but would never recommend them to learn in as they are very unforgiving.
As for swapping engines in an mx5 - bit of a pita... You can supercharge them for much less hassle and money but still lacking a little once you get the hang of things.
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MX-5 are too slow and I'd have to put a roll cage in it.
I'd rather jump in the deep end - always have. I like the sound of an Elise S2 Sport 190. Seems like better value than the VX220 turbo.
I'd rather jump in the deep end - always have. I like the sound of an Elise S2 Sport 190. Seems like better value than the VX220 turbo.
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Is a Lotus ok size wise for you? Thought the were quite cramped in there (not calling you a fatty)
previous- Pug 205 gti, 306 gti, 309 gti Goodwood.
Audi S3, S4 V8 avant.
Porsche Macan Turbo.
Gone but NEVER forgotten - C5 RS6 Misano red avant.
Now - Empty garage
If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there!
Audi S3, S4 V8 avant.
Porsche Macan Turbo.
Gone but NEVER forgotten - C5 RS6 Misano red avant.
Now - Empty garage
If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there!
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If he's too tall for a Lotus (and he is a tall <beep>), is he gunna fit in a 220? It's the same floorpan with seatbacks against the firewall, right!
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