question on keyless go

Post by **Ian_C** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:04 pm

One of our MK regulars found this out accidentally - went out with the wife in his D3 A8, had used wifes keys, dropped wife off, got home and realised he had no keys!! The car runs until switched off.

Call me old fashioned, but if I'm ever lucky enough to buy a C6 RS6, I'd want the dash key fob, not keyless. Far too many horror stories of keyless cars being nicked. My car port is immediately alongside the kitchen and kitchen door, I'd forever be wondering if the car was locked.

Post by **barryrs** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:09 pm

Keyless entry & go is the best option on my Audi IMO.

There is a sensor under the door handle so you have to be attempting to open the door with the key in your pocket before it will open. It wont just unlock as you walk upto it

Post by **Ian_C** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:29 pm

Yeah but I could be stood next to it (through kitchen door / wall) and someone else pulls the door handle.

Post by **barryrs** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:33 pm

Only if you park a matter of inches away from the house.

Post by **Ian_C** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:56 pm

Yep!!

Original thread http://forum.rs246.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=89100

Post by **barryrs** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:59 pm

I wouldn't worry; its not as though you can open the door even if its unlocked

Post by **andy** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:31 pm

barryrs wrote:Keyless entry & go is the best option on my Audi IMO.

Totally agree

This was the number one option I was looking for when buying mine and love it, wouldn't buy another without it now.

Post by **catfood12** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:13 am

Interesting article in last weekend's Sunday Times, about keyless cars being nicked. Mainly BMWs, but Audi's mentioned too. Scally's can break into car, programme new key via OBD port and drive away. Police said theft of modern cars without keys in London was 'almost unheard of' two years ago, but is now running at over 1000/year.

Post by **adsgreen** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:03 am

I guess they didn't think that you would be able to break in without tripping the alarm but the bmw's have some amazing blindspots.

Post by **bobjebb** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:37 am

I personally think it's great - although I don't really know why! You have to be pretty close, and sometimes up against the car for it to unlock. This could look fairly embarrassing in a car park - people might hunk, I know you like your car, but rubbing yourself against it like a cat on heat is a bit much....

Interested in the remote start!

Post by **GLM** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:16 pm

catfood12 wrote:Interesting article in last weekend's Sunday Times, about keyless cars being nicked. Mainly BMWs, but Audi's mentioned too. Scally's can break into car, programme new key via OBD port and drive away. Police said theft of modern cars without keys in London was 'almost unheard of' two years ago, but is now running at over 1000/year.

Yeah, ST were a bit slow on that - article on Pistonheads a while back with the cctv video:
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default ... ryId=25953

I've got keyless go on my RS6 - really glad i held out for a car with this spec'd on it as its so handy. And at the end of the of the day i've not got time to worry about all the people that may want to steal the car - ok, obviously dont want it to happen - but its can be replaced and if people really want to steal something, eventually they will find a way.

Post by **andy** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:59 pm

catfood12 wrote:Interesting article in last weekend's Sunday Times, about keyless cars being nicked. Mainly BMWs, but Audi's mentioned too. Scally's can break into car, programme new key via OBD port and drive away. Police said theft of modern cars without keys in London was 'almost unheard of' two years ago, but is now running at over 1000/year.

This is a big problem for BMW specifically due to fact that they allow for certificate exchange between car and new key without authorisation back to their central system! I believe this was done to enable fleet managers to code single keys to multiple cars but I could be wrong on that part. What has really hurt them is some clever scum has reverse engineered a system to code a key directly from the car. This little box of tricks costs about £300 so any scumbag can buy out of the profit of one car theft! Marry this to the fact that the port I believe is in the door and allegedly the window can be broken and device slipped into port without setting off the alarm.

From what I've heard Thatcham are investigating and BMW risk losing their cat status unless they fix and recall but this will amount to big money for them.

This is what I have read and been told by concerned BMW drivers so please take with a pinch of salt.

Post by **Stoo.** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:41 pm

To clarify a few things for you here guys, there is a sensor in the handle, that senses your hand around the handle/ between handle and body work, and another sensor where your thumb goes to unlock it.

Once both those sensors have an input, ie your trying to open the door, the kessy c/unit scans for a key.

If the key is within the 'bubble' (which is fairly small, then it will unlock the car and authorise starting.

An example of how small the bubble is comes from trying to start a car with the keys in the door pocket and the door open. Car refuses to start. Key out of range. It's only in the door pocket remember, so its only a small bubble.

Car will run until switched off and fail to restart.

Post by **Stoo.** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:42 pm

Oh, and one option is an auxiliary heater which warms the cabin and coolant before getting in the cat in winter and is operated remotely

Post by **catfood12** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:10 pm

Ian_C wrote:Yep!!

Original thread http://forum.rs246.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=89100

Your tax disc has expired fella !...

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