Radar & laser detectors

Post by **Thorney** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 1:27 pm

I had a good chat with the TVP guy and the bottom line is that if they spot it you'll get a telling off and if you're caught again (by same cop) then they 'may' take it further. It then gets to the CPS who throw it out. The only charge they can lay at you is attempting to pervert the course of justice but that requires them to proove beyond reasonable doubt that you DELIBERATELY went out to jam a camera - impossible so CSP always drop them. There is always a riak though I guess.

Post by **peterb** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:29 pm

s2driver wrote:What would a copper do if he found a jammer on your motor? Would he believe it was a garage door opener

I gather that UK SpeedTraps have persuaded a company to produce the remote receiver to work with devices such as the LRC100, so you really could operate a garage door, or lights, from the unit mounted on your car. Should be available in the next 10 weeks, or so.

Post by **TimJMS** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 10:34 pm

LRC 100 is strictly only a laser jammer and will protect you against no other speed traps.

And when you receive what is basically just some wires and a switch through the post, you will wonder what you have spent your £300 quid on. If you have little electrical knowledge you will need it hardwiring in, and even then you will never know if its working properly or not. There is nothing remotely resembling a control box supplied with it.

Use one by all means. I am sure it is a useful add - on to a decent speedtrap warning device.

I sent my back and got a refund.

Post by **peterb** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 12:12 am

TimJMS wrote:LRC 100 is strictly only a laser jammer and will protect you against no other speed traps.

Which is what it says on the tin!

And when you receive what is basically just some wires and a switch through the post, you will wonder what you have spent your £300 quid on.

Didn't you get the IR receiver/transmitter module, with all the electronics built-in?

If you have little electrical knowledge you will need it hardwiring in, and even then you will never know if its working properly or not. There is nothing remotely resembling a control box supplied with it.

Why should it need a control box? That would just add complexity to what is an elegant and easily installed device. Installation is simpler than a radar detector with remote head. Why shouldn't you know whether it's working? There are individuals around who own laser speed guns and will test and assist with setup for a small charge. I was going to arrange a test until I came across a man in uniform who did it for free - and without me having to ask!

Use one by all means. I am sure it is a useful add - on to a decent speedtrap warning device.

Indeed - which is why I also have a RoadPilot.

I sent my back and got a refund.

So what alternative discrete defence do you have against laser guns?

Post by **simple1** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 12:56 am

After having my 550 impounded by nice French gentleman

, I installed the covert Bel 996R. Seems to work well and has saved my back end and licence a few times, but does have a tendency to trigger when there is nothing about, unlike the 550 which was very dependable. It also seems to get upset when I use the phone

Post by **TimJMS** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 7:03 am

Peter - comments really werent aimed at you but rather Thorney, where he states directly :
"The only charge they can lay at you is attempting to pervert the course of justice but that requires them to proove beyond reasonable doubt that you DELIBERATELY went out to jam a camera"

Though he probably means a laser camera, there will be those who think he means Gatso or Truvelo camera as well as laser.

Mine was ordered directly from the manufacturer in Belgium. At the time I hadnt heard of Mobilecentre.

There was nothing elegant about the system I received. Literally just a collection of wires in a plastic bag, some very crude instructions in Dutch (I think!) a HORRIBLE looking on / off switch which when I spoke to him he suggested I drilled a hole in the dash to install, and absolutely not even a light to say when it was active or inactive.

It was like looking at a portion of torn out stereo.

The alternate defence I have against laser guns is contained in the S6R Neo, The remote S6RLD component, which has already been pointed out in the thread can detect these devices in use up to two miles away.

Post by **Joshie** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 8:53 am

Tim - Not sure what you originally received from Belgium is what peterb is talking about

Taken from the MobileCentre site............

"The (LRC100) unit is very small and easy to hide. It comes with full installation instructions and is very simple to fit. It is supplied with one transponder, on/off switch, status LED warning diode,
wiring loom with ample cable, a loud mini speaker, cable ties, screws, electrical joints and a bubble level"

I'd just add that I have bought a number of items from this company and the service level and general attitude to customers is excellent.

Post by **peterb** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:53 am

TimJMS wrote:Though he probably means a laser camera, there will be those who think he means Gatso or Truvelo camera as well as laser.

Fair enough.

Mine was ordered directly from the manufacturer in Belgium. At the time I hadnt heard of Mobilecentre.

There was nothing elegant about the system I received. Literally just a collection of wires in a plastic bag, some very crude instructions in Dutch (I think!) a HORRIBLE looking on / off switch which when I spoke to him he suggested I drilled a hole in the dash to install, and absolutely not even a light to say when it was active or inactive.

It was like looking at a portion of torn out stereo.

It is true that there is more wire than anything else in the package - but there is an LED and piezo speaker and a decent weather-proof mini-DIN connector. I guess that you had an early example. Mine came with instructions in English (also available on the web as a pdf). I mounted the switch underneath the dash, right next to the bonnet release - in fact, I attached the switch bracket to one of the bonnet release bolts, meaning that I haven't had to drill any holes in order to instal.

The alternate defence I have against laser guns is contained in the S6R Neo, The remote S6RLD component, which has already been pointed out in the thread can detect these devices in use up to two miles away.

Okay - I think that is a pure detector and has no 'diffusing' capability. The problem here is that the laser beam is so narrow that when your detector is triggered, the gun is almost certainly aimed at your vehicle (unless the gun is being hand-held). The speed reading is obtained within 1/3 second, giving you no time to respond to the warning.

Post by **Thorney** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 11:23 am

I was simply pointing out the LRC100 worked. To my mind if you get caght by a static camera you're an idiot who wasn't looking where they were going so you deserve it (except for where they're hidden). There is also no point whatseover having a lazer detector as the moment its goes off you've been caught. There is some argument that lazer can scatter from the car in front if it is targetted but scameras (which are most 'dangerous' in terms of getting caught use very tight lazers which scatter less that .25% of their beam.

Tim, the whole idea of a jammer is that it is dicreet and if possible undetectable by a reasonable search, if you want an equivalent of the Starship enterprise on your dash then look for something else

I found the LRC was a superb, small, water tight little unit which simply did what you wanted.....you get hit with a lazer it sounded an audible alarm and then turns itself off (allowing the cop to get a reading when you've slowed down). Why on earth would you want a little box of lights alerting all and sundry to its existance? I think the problem maybe the supply you got it from, I've stopped buying stuff from overseas as the cost savings never outweigh the aggrevation that crappy instruction or crap after sales support they normally entail.

Post by **Thorney** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 11:24 am

Oh and nothing will detect a truvelo, there is no signal transmitted...you need a database type device for that.

Post by **TimJMS** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 9:09 pm

Guys you are preaching to the converted, I did actually order one after all!

Just that I was so completely dissatified with what I received through the post that I was forced to send it back which actually involved a journey to the post office to calculate the correct cost. By the sounds of it the guy had accidentally forgotten to include the piezo speaker, and weatherproof anything! No evidence of any LED status indicator. Just wires and what purported to be the gallium arsenide?? module. No list of contents, no diagrams, just some double Dutch.

Equally I am aware of (hence why I ordered) a chink in my protection layer. Laser detectors are better than nothing, and GPS database devices cover the rest. But thanks for the heads - up. Will look back into the jammer situation. One that can actually activate my entrance barrier as well certainly sounds much more interesting - thanks Peter.

And Thorney - the Gatso / Truvelo / Specs Zone that nabs you, wont be the one you DO see

Post by **romario** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:54 pm

I use a Valentine1 and have done since living in US and I still think it's the best. Currently couple it with a Road Angel for Truvelo warnings but much more impressed with new Snooper which gives verbal warning of pending trap and tells you the speed limit of the road you are on. Also looks smarter than the rather naff finish of the Road Angel.
I'd go for www.radargirl.com for keen prices, who advertise in the Merc Owners Club mag.

Post by **clived** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:01 pm

Has anyone used a B2 with the Snooper's combined radar / laser detection unit? I like the look of the B2, but also like the idea of not having to install the B2's laser unit inside the car.... but have no idea if the units are compatable?

Post by **TimJMS** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:48 pm

LASER JAMMER CHARGED Wednesday 7th April

Interesting new development being reported over on www.pistonheads.com today:

Surrey Police nab man from Staines for blocking speed gun

A thirty year old man from Staines has been arrested by Surrey Police for using a laser jammer device on his car.

It's alleged that when driving through a speed trap on the A308, the man used the jammer to prevent a speed reading being taken. His registration was noted by the recording equipment and police visited his home later that day to confiscate the device and arrest the man. He has been charged with obstructing a constable in the execution of his duty.

Casualty Reduction Officer for Spelthorne PC Mike Pritchard said: “I want to emphasise that these devices are illegal. People are under the impression that the device will jam the laser signal and that’s all. What they fail to recognize is that the police speed detection device identifies that the vehicle is fitted with a laser jammer. The offence is recorded on tape and the vehicles are then traceable through the Police National Computer . "

Post by **Joshie** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:36 pm

Well judging by the amount of vehicles now fitted with an LRC 1000 the police will surely be kept very busy.

So much more fun for them than fighting real crime eh?

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