Your second cars

Post by **gdavison** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:57 am

Nice Smarty S4int.. We are tempted by the new ones .. want to see the cabrio in the flesh before doing it

Post by **S4INT** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:53 pm

sonny wrote:Nice smart, whats the MPG like?

Cheers. Between 35 and 50mpg depending on how you drive it. My long term average is 39, but I do tend to drive the wheels off it, plus 25 miles of my daily journey is motorway and the MPG falls away a bit cruising at 85mph....

Post by **sonny** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:10 pm

35-50mpg like music to my ears lol...not bad at all then.

Post by **JohnnerLad** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:19 pm

remember guys" Drive it like you stole it!!"

the only way

Post by **JohnnerLad** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:20 pm

Sorry one more thing if its MPG you need Dont buy nothing with an "R" or "S" in the name!!

Post by **Steve_C** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:42 pm

So don't buy a SmaRt?!!

Post by **JohnnerLad** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:10 am

Never one of those!!

Post by **adsgreen** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:20 am

What about a pRiuS?

Post by **PetrolDave** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:05 pm

adsgreen wrote:What about a pRiuS?

Anyone who buys one of those should be certified as criminally insane

Post by **adsgreen** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:04 pm

Ok, I'll admit - I had a Gen3 Prius for a while. Just wanted to try it and see what it was like - didn't care about co2 just that it was cheap (170quid full comp insurance, zero road tax and decent fuel economy). The upsides were that if I drove it like a stole it then 55 mpg was the absolute lowest I could get, I averaged 68 and hit 73 on long motorway runs.
Downsides... I've never been so cut up and swerved at to the point it was getting silly. Prius rage seems to be more violent than bog standard road rage!

Post by **neckarsulm** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:06 pm

You can get 60mpg+ easily from a Mk5 Golf TDI Bluemotion, £30 per year to tax.
Makes a Prius seem pretty poinless IMHO
Prices starts from around £8.5k for an 08 reg.

Post by **Doug_S2** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:06 am

My sensible car is a

1999 a4 110 tdi avant - with 200ps/400nm, still gets 45mpg+ if driven sensibly - a proper beater and dont care about car.

but I also have

1995 Audi S2 with GT35/40 for proper old skool lag - it is no where near as fast/usable as newer cars but gives me the biggest buzz out of the lot.
2000 Audi S4 with RS4 arches, 4 bucket seats, in white with a 3 litre and 2 k16 turbos - show car though, 750ps 850nm
2002 Audi RS6 with 600ps/800nm - the missus car
2007 Renault grand espace - for the kids - crap on fuel as it is the 2.0t and auto but fits 4 kids and their stuff in.

I still drive the b7 more than any of the others.

Post by **Ian_C** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:35 am

There is something about the sound of a straight five on song..... 620 bhp is crackers - thats works S1 Quattro power!

Post by **adsgreen** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:52 am

neckarsulm wrote:You can get 60mpg+ easily from a Mk5 Golf TDI Bluemotion, £30 per year to tax.
Makes a Prius seem pretty poinless IMHO
Prices starts from around £8.5k for an 08 reg.

I do find this argument quite funny as it's saying they'd rather have a slower (11.3 vs 10.4 secs), less powerful, smaller interior, smaller boot (445lt vs 350lt) less well equipped (you don't even get rear leccy windows in the VW) car for similar money. At least the golf is a similar car - I've had people say things like "yeah, well, a smart is more economical it makes a prius pointless" <sigh>
Don't get me wrong, the prius has a lot of faults (riding on custard would be more stable on high speed turns) and it doesn't make for a fun trackday and it horse for courses. But it does do what it says on the tin in providing a fulls size car well equipped and as a box to get you from A-B works well. It was better than I thought it was going to be and made a change and I needed a car with space for three car seats in the back - Golf just wouldn't cut it.
It was fun creeping up on people in stealth mode - you really can't hear a thing even very close. No chance of that in the rs4

In fact I read somewhere that the prius is the US gang car of choice for drive by's

Post by **neckarsulm** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:41 pm

All Golf Mk5s apart from S models have rear electric windows, Match BlueMotion has all anyone could want.
If you want more space try a Passat BlueMotion or a Skoda Octi Greenline, of course nobody will think you are an eco-mentalist with these.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/Fir ... ne/248334/

I can't believe a Prius owner is talking about the very eco-unfriendly activity of a 0-60 drag but I'd forgoe 0.9 sec to 60 for the far superior handling of the Golf, all Mk5 Golfs are good but the BlueMotion actually has lowered suspension to reduce drag which also sharpens up the handling further. Remap it and it'll be no worse on fuel and faster to 60 as well.
The big issue with the Prius for me however is that the motor trade generally can't get their heads around the electronics in 'normal' cars so outside of a Toyota main dealer I can't imagine many garages wanted to do any work on it which means main dealer labour rates throughout the car's life. Plus their will always be the risk of a very big bill round the corner when the batteries need replacing (8-9 years according to a quick google).
We don't mind the odd big bill for an RS4 but £2-3k for a Golf rival?
So they'll hit the scrap heap sooner which doesn't sound too eco-friendly to me.
Plus the Golf is a quality German automobile.

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