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Post by ArthurPE » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:33 pm

I have nothing to hide...
but it's funny that NO ONE addresses the topic, only attacks me...
that's OK...

how many posts on that forum? 2 hardly a lot of time
I got what I needed, bought my stereo, and confronted an asshole...

how posts does sims have?
almost as many as I in 1/3 the time
most insulting and personal attacks

I can see you are one of his stooges

again, read the post
Arthur PE is only referenced, but never posted?
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/sh ... hp?t=67209

a moderator, a known right wing racist (read all markw's stuff in OT in that forum, draw your own conclusion), posted that Mexican drug cartels had invaded the US and were in an armed gun battle with US military and law enforcement and taking over ranches...
he's also the one that said cops should e punching teenagers, ref'ed in sims previous attack

I (hi fi nut) pointed out that it was a lie, fostered to promote his agenda...he got mad...
read the post... http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/sh ... ostcount=4
here's the WHOLE post http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/sh ... hp?t=67209

the same kind of anger and hatred promoted around here for pointing out:
deposits = no issue
HP = rated
DRC = no issue
it doesn't fit within the 'agenda' of some

xyber wrote:For somebody who doesn't live on the Internet, ArthurPE is on a huge amount of forums. Banned from loads!!

Glittering reference from one site I spotted

Bit if a pattern isn't it

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Post by xyber » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:45 pm

Not a stooge, don't know him. I just know every thread you appear on goes tits up and it seem it's a regular occurrence on many forums aimed at a wide range of subjects and you seem to get peoples back up needlessly then try and play the victim.

A bit like that kid in the playground who went around annoying people, got his arse kicked, then says he gets bullied.

And seeing as so many people 'attack' you on so many forums, do you think it may be you bringing it onto yourself

To be fair you seem a knowledgable bloke, but but just enjoy doing peoples heads in :lol:
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Post by Sims » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:47 pm

ArthurPE wrote:I have nothing to hide...
but it's funny that NO ONE addresses the topic, only attacks me...
that's OK...
Man up, as you guys say.

The issue? Does this throw any light on your views about deposits?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche- ... ost4946132



I'm thinking of puting one on my RS4, they are prone to valve deposits from blow-by...
the oem set-up is a cyclone seperator, and may not be effective...
it is a DI engine so no fuel to 'wash' the valves..
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Post by ArthurPE » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:51 pm

well, then, imo you're better off keeping it that way ;)

the reason they go 'tits up' is that I think for myself, and do not follow like a sheep...that raises the ire of some...they can't refute it with logic/engineering/etc., so they ged 'mad'
can you imagine losing your emotional balance over something in an internet forum? lol
it's one thing to do it, another to pretend to do it for 'effect' ;)

I'm not a victim...I am the onject of attacks, but 'victim' would imply damage, ie, that I give a crap ;)

of course I bring it on myself, if by that you mean I 'disagree' with lies, bogus/false assumptions, manipulation of truth, etc.

...but it is THEIR choice to not respond logically and let their 'gut' do their thinking...

yes, I like to stimulate thought, some can handle it, some can't...
ANYTIME you disagree with someone they get mad...
have I got mad when someone says deposits are an issue...do I attack them, or do I at least start out with a factual, reasoned and technical discussion? they can't refute the message, so they 'shoot the messanger'

it's those who 'I make attack me' that drag it down :D



xyber wrote:Not a stooge, don't know him. I just know every thread you appear on goes tits up and it seem it's a regular occurrence on many forums aimed at a wide range of subjects and you seem to get peoples back up needlessly then try and play the victim.

A bit like that kid in the playground who went around annoying people, got his arse kicked, then says he gets bullied.

And seeing as so many people 'attack' you on so many forums, do you think it may be you bringing it onto yourself

To be fair you seem a knowledgable bloke, but but just enjoy doing peoples heads in :lol:

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Post by Sims » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:57 pm

Dear Arthur, stop digging. :)

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Post by ArthurPE » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:59 pm

no relavency...that's before I did my research...I'd had the car for only a short while...

I was trusting internet rumor and 'experts', I know the truth now, and have never put one on...it wouldn't help, and the deposits hurt nothing...

that is a turbo engine and not DI...
and 30 year old technology
huge difference, an engine under vacuum (atm pressure) and boost

to top it off, it has been proven (at least to my satisfaction) that the deposits are not from blow-by or the intake tract, but valve seepage, hardened by EGR...either way, they don't hurt anything...
you see? you read, you learn...

the 951 oil is leaking from the turbo seals

my car (951) uses no oil...I'm sure it has some oil in the intercooler, etc., and even some deposits, but it's NOT an issue...



Sims wrote:
ArthurPE wrote:I have nothing to hide...
but it's funny that NO ONE addresses the topic, only attacks me...
that's OK...
Man up, as you guys say.

The issue? Does this throw any light on your views about deposits?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche- ... ost4946132



I'm thinking of puting one on my RS4, they are prone to valve deposits from blow-by...
the oem set-up is a cyclone seperator, and may not be effective...
it is a DI engine so no fuel to 'wash' the valves..
.
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Post by ArthurPE » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:59 pm

Sims wrote:Dear Arthur, stop digging. :)
it's you who are 'digging'
trying to discredit me, only reflect on you...
;)

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Post by Sims » Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:03 pm

ArthurPE wrote:no relavency...
that is a turbo engine and not DI...
and 30 year old technology
huge difference, an engine under vacuum (atm pressure) and boost

to top it off, it has been proven (at least to my satisfaction) that the deposits are not from blow-by or the intake tract, but valave seepage, hardened by EGR...either way, they don't hurt anythin...

the oil is leaking from the turbo seals

my car (951) uses no oil...I'm sure it has some oil in the intercooler, etc., and even some deposits, but it's NOT an issue...



Sims wrote:
ArthurPE wrote:I have nothing to hide...
but it's funny that NO ONE addresses the topic, only attacks me...
that's OK...
Man up, as you guys say.

The issue? Does this throw any light on your views about deposits?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche- ... ost4946132



I'm thinking of puting one on my RS4, they are prone to valve deposits from blow-by...
the oem set-up is a cyclone seperator, and may not be effective...
it is a DI engine so no fuel to 'wash' the valves..
.


OK. So what was was all this about:

I'm thinking of puting one on my RS4, they are prone to valve deposits from blow-by...
the oem set-up is a cyclone seperator, and may not be effective...
it is a DI engine so no fuel to 'wash' the valves

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Post by Sims » Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:06 pm

ArthurPE wrote:
Sims wrote:Dear Arthur, stop digging. :)
it's you who are 'digging'
trying to discredit me, only reflect on you...
;)
So tell us how many Audi forums you have been banned from, other forums you have been banned from or are they all run by right wing nasty people.

This Rolex forum, for instance.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=125536

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Post by P_G » Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:08 pm

Arthur, for sake of clarity what has happened since you posted on that forum in September 2009 and recently to change your mind that it is not blow by? Did you fit one of those Saikou Michi stage type OCC valves and there was no difference? Did you not bother in the end because you tested the RS4 system and foudn that there was little blow by oil?

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Post by ArthurPE » Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:09 pm

Sims wrote:OK. So what was was all this about:

I'm thinking of puting one on my RS4, they are prone to valve deposits from blow-by...
the oem set-up is a cyclone seperator, and may not be effective...
it is a DI engine so no fuel to 'wash' the valves
no relavency...that's before I did my research...I'd had the car for only a short while...

I was trusting internet rumor and 'experts', I know the truth now, and have never put one on...it wouldn't help, and the deposits hurt nothing...

I 'learned' the truth, did my homework, it's not an 'issue'
only imaginary in my opinion

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Post by ArthurPE » Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:11 pm

read the post

they were justifying the acts of an American footballer...who was accused of rape...rape is OK? especially a young girl, underage, that you got drunk?
they were blaming the girl

read man, read!

keep 'digging'

I owe you no explanations

you have become obsessed with me, internet stalking...
I bet you imagine my face of your wife when doing the 20 toe dance, lol

still 'hot' for me?

Sims wrote:
ArthurPE wrote:
Sims wrote:Dear Arthur, stop digging. :)
it's you who are 'digging'
trying to discredit me, only reflect on you...
;)
So tell us how many Audi forums you have been banned from, other forums you have been banned from or are they all run by right wing nasty people.

This Rolex forum, for instance.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=125536

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Post by ArthurPE » Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:21 pm

P_G wrote:Arthur, for sake of clarity what has happened since you posted on that forum in September 2009 and recently to change your mind that it is not blow by? Did you fit one of those Saikou Michi stage type OCC valves and there was no difference? Did you not bother in the end because you tested the RS4 system and foudn that there was little blow by oil?
I read
I opened a text

nope, never fit one...after research saw that it was pointless
wouldn't help
no performance loss anyways...

I saw the results of several experiments:
-disconnect the blow-by circuit, clean the valves and deposits still formed quickly
-saw a catch can installed, caught negligible oil, iirc, <1/2 oz (fluid) per 1k miles, mostly water which helps, and since it was BEFORE the cyclone, the cyclone would have captured most of the oil any ways...and waht wasn't caught is vapor entrained in air, and most likely would be swept into the engine and burned...
-I talkied to Audi (actually talked and wrote)
-delved into the pre-clean post clean performance, no differece
-got all the 3-8k data, no differences, cleaned uncleaned...

and yes, I did test the system, with filter gauze, across where the cyclone dumps into the manifold...and from the valve covers
the oil was negligible

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Post by P_G » Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:27 pm

I remember you saying you had done the filter gauze trial and blow by produced little oil, that is what I was hoping you would refer to. I wondered if this was why you decided against an oil catch can. It appears it was one of the contributing factors.

Sims, a person is entitled to change their opinion during their life time.

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Post by ArthurPE » Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:31 pm

P_G wrote:I remember you saying you had done the filter gauze trial and blow by produced little oil, that is what I was hoping you would refer to. I wondered if this was why you decided against an oil catch can. It appears it was one of the contributing factors.

Sims, a person is entitled to change their opinion during their life time.
a man who doesn't change it, after doing the homework, is a fool...
and I was considering it, not committed, to doing it, becasue even then I wasn't convinced it was a problem, the only 'side' I had seen was all the crazy hyperbole on the net, so I did my research, and apparently a couple of us are the only ones not swept away in the hysteria...

I'm thinking of puting one on my RS4, they are prone to valve deposits from blow-by...

so I 'thought'...they ARE prone to valve deposits, just not from blow-by, and imo, doesn't hurt performance

the 'test' was a small part
the 3-8k a larger
the disconnection test by another was the biggest
and the catch can results factored in
no one thing...

not to mention, after thinking about it for quite a while, it's (blow-by) not a feasible mechanism for the deposits...
by the time it got thru the valve cover baffles
condensation in the tubes/manifold
the cyclone
and considering it is all hot vapor, entrained in air, most likely inducted into the engine...

the above 'tests' by myself and others, only confirmed what I had deduced

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