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Post by ArthurPE » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:54 pm

S2tuner wrote: I think instead of posting as many swear words you should have spent a bit longer to check your sources and double check the fact that Porsche do NOT use DI on any GT engine, be it GT2, GT3, GT3RS, or GT2RS. Only the 997TT and the Carreras get it, as well as the Caymans/Boxsters and Cayennes, but NO GT2/3 engine has DI as of yet.
really?

2008
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now
check out their wesite

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Post by Sims » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:55 pm

ArthurPE wrote:
Sims wrote:
SR71 wrote:
FWIW.

DI is the future and the technology is no doubt getting better but that doesn't help existing owners.

:D
And therefore the changes to the RS5 are revealing e.g. engine oil temp is increased by ~10°C
not according to Audi...
it ~ the same as the RS4 (and just about every other car 200F/93C)
hot oil would increase the issue, more vapor, etc.
not help it
cooler thicker oil would help
Picked this up on Audizine. Did you post that? Tell us more.

Originally Posted by GotRS?
I haven't seen any mention in the CB threads I've read about leaky valve guide seals adding to the oil. I know Audi are removing heads and replacing the seals on some.
really?
that's my wag, leaky valve guides/seals...

and the effectiveness of the seal has several factors, imo
break-in procedure, higher speed, better finished/polished surface, plus frequent changes for the first 10k miles
engine temp, the warmer, the more expansion, the tighter the sael...perhpas the reason for the RS5 revised +10C operating temp (if true)
oil cleanliness (particles willcause small gaps, ie, leaks) and oil weight, thick = less seepage...

that is very interesting info, thanks
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Post by Sims » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:59 pm

ArthurPE wrote:
Sims wrote: How about helping all the other people on here for this is your main Audi forum, surely they would be interested in this important development.
I have, through other channels
I spoke to more than a few, and PM'ed with many more...
in fact I've spoken to people who have this special diagnostic servcie by Audi...

but you are outside the circle of trust
:lol:
In other words, you have no answer. Ducking and diving as usual. :lol:

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Post by ArthurPE » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:59 pm

you saw the engine with the crank removed?
and you're saying carbon from valve deposits caused the scoring and destroyed the engine?
and carbon was drug down from the top of the piston? how could that be?
or the deposits made it past the rings, and then were trapped and drug down?
not drug down from below by the piston rings?
help me out, just trying to understand this...

is that what Audi is saying re: valve deposits destroying the engine? (I know the answer, lol) just want to hear it from you...friendly word of advice, be careful what you post, especially when rendering a professional engineering opinion regarding a product liability assertion...that could affect tens of thousands of engines...

piston oil squirters are common these days, as are baffled sumps
and perfectly balanced cranks...no idea how than can be determined visually though...perfectly calibrated eyeballs, lol

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Post by ArthurPE » Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:05 pm

Sims wrote: In other words, you have no answer. Ducking and diving as usual. :lol:
that's your consternation...
I (and others) have the data, not sure what 'answer' means...

it's YOU that don't have the 'answer'
and I'm not sharing with you
period

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Post by ArthurPE » Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:08 pm

no

and hotter oil will be thinner and leak MORE, not less...

although I do believe the deposits are valve guide/seal seepage...
as I have said numerous times
I am firmly convinced it is NOT blow-by
Sims wrote: Picked this up on Audizine. Did you post that? Tell us more.

Originally Posted by GotRS?
I haven't seen any mention in the CB threads I've read about leaky valve guide seals adding to the oil. I know Audi are removing heads and replacing the seals on some.
really?
that's my wag, leaky valve guides/seals...

and the effectiveness of the seal has several factors, imo
break-in procedure, higher speed, better finished/polished surface, plus frequent changes for the first 10k miles
engine temp, the warmer, the more expansion, the tighter the sael...perhpas the reason for the RS5 revised +10C operating temp (if true)
oil cleanliness (particles willcause small gaps, ie, leaks) and oil weight, thick = less seepage...

that is very interesting info, thanks

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Post by Sims » Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:08 pm

ArthurPE wrote:...friendly word of advice, be careful what you post, especially when rendering a professional engineering opinion regarding a product liability assertion...that could affect tens of thousands of engines...
He has an opinion, and you have yours - freedom of speech. I am sure he does not need your advice. And you are sensationilising again.

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Post by 2manytoys » Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:10 pm

Not really interested in answering your questions Arthur. If there was split milk in front of the fridge you'd say a cow did it. How could a milk bottle jump out of the fridge and spill itself (you add lol on the end to imply others are dumb too).

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Post by ArthurPE » Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:11 pm

Sims wrote: He has an opinion, and you have yours - freedom of speech. I am sure he does not need your advice. And you are sensationilising again.
freedom of speech is one thing

civil liability and libel are entirely different matters
no skin off my nose...

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Post by ArthurPE » Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:12 pm

2manytoys wrote:Not really interested in answering your questions Arthur. If there was split milk in front of the fridge you'd say a cow did it. How could a milk bottle jump out of the fridge and spill itself (you add lol on the end to imply others are dumb too).
I have more faith in Audi's answers anyways, thanks

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Post by Sims » Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:13 pm

ArthurPE wrote:no

and hotter oil will be thinner and leak MORE, not less...

although I do believe the deposits are valve guide/seal seepage...
as I have said numerous times
I am firmly convinced it is NOT blow-by

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Post by Sims » Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:15 pm

ArthurPE wrote:
I have more faith in Audi's answers anyways, thanks
Where are Audi's answers?

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Post by ArthurPE » Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:27 pm

NO...
Originally Posted by GotRS?
I haven't seen any mention in the CB threads I've read about leaky valve guide seals adding to the oil. I know Audi are removing heads and replacing the seals on some.
really?
that's my wag, leaky valve guides/seals...

'if true'
I asked, it's not true...
after thinking about it, the block temp (and valve train components) are not really controlled by oil temp, as much as the water jacket temp...

either way, thicker oil will leak less...
I was trying to determine if the oil was 10C hotter, why would they do so...
it isn't, so it's moot

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Post by ArthurPE » Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:28 pm

Sims wrote:
ArthurPE wrote:
I have more faith in Audi's answers anyways, thanks
Where are Audi's answers?
I suggest you ask them ;)
you wouldn't believe me anyways, so go to the 'well'

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Post by Sims » Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:36 pm

ArthurPE wrote:
NO...
Originally Posted by GotRS?
I haven't seen any mention in the CB threads I've read about leaky valve guide seals adding to the oil. I know Audi are removing heads and replacing the seals on some.
really?
that's my wag, leaky valve guides/seals...

'if true'
I asked, it's not true...
after thinking about it, the block temp (and valve train components) are not really controlled by oil temp, as much as the water jacket temp...

either way, thicker oil will leak less...
I was trying to determine if the oil was 10C hotter, why would they do so...
it isn't, so it's moot
:lol: You claim "not according to Audi" but yet again don't really know do you. Audi does not need you to defend them, in fact you are harming them - they will step up to the plate when they have to as they have done before.

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