I am happy to bet you a quid.rs4v8 wrote:I'd imagine the ceramics alone would be almost worth 10secs over a non-ceramic equipped RS5 on that track, stronger, more confident braking and lighter weight.sims wrote:The extra 30ps, sport diff and exhaust, ceramics are surely worth the 10 seconds.
75kg heavier than my RS4 though? That's a whole extra passenger! I'm happy to hazard a guess there'll be virtually nothing in it.
RS5!!!!
I don't care about the List Price! I'll probably be getting one! (List Prices don't count when it's 5years old
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Anyhow, all this debate about how fast it'll go roung the Ring will probably be irrelevant to 98% of UK cars that will probably never see it!
Bit of banter I suppose!
Anyhow, all this debate about how fast it'll go roung the Ring will probably be irrelevant to 98% of UK cars that will probably never see it!
Bit of banter I suppose!
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Good manNorrs2 wrote:I don't care about the List Price! I'll probably be getting one!)!
Absolutely.Norrs2 wrote: Anyhow, all this debate about how fast it'll go roung the Ring will probably be irrelevant to 98% of UK cars that will probably never see it!
Bit of banter I suppose!
Hmm, yeah, never thought of that.....SR71 wrote:I reckon 100 gear shifts around the Ring?
Even if each S-tronic shift is only 1/10 sec faster than a manual shift in the RS4, there is your 10 secs...
I would suggest it's a bit more than a trick diff and 60hp that makes the GTR 30 seconds quicker than the RS4 (despite the GTR's weight as you mention). In particular the 434lb ft torque the blown engine creates compared to the 317 of the audi. The main point being the GTR chassis is a bespoke design rather than one robbed / adapted from another VAG platform.SR71 wrote:The GTR is ~1700kg and runs sub 7.30 with (ostensibly) ~480hp so the extra 60hp is worth ~30 secs on the RS4!
Weight + trick diff = performance
That would be amazing.SR71 wrote:I predict somewhere between 7:50-7:55.
35. Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera 7:46 159 ´07 530 / 1520 Auto (Italy)
36. Jaguar XJ220 7:46.37 159 ´92 549 / 1555 John Nielsen
37. Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano 7:47 159 ´06 620 / 1748 Sport Auto
38. Porsche 997 GT3 RS 7:48 158 ´06 415 / 1375 Sport Auto
39. Lamborghini Murcielago 7:50 158 ´02 580 / 1800 Sport Auto
40. BMW M3 CSL (E46) 7:50 158 ´03 360 / 1385 Sport Auto
41. Porsche 997 Carrera S (2008 facelift) 7:50 158 ´08 385 / 1425
42. Mercedes SL65 AMG Black Series 7:51 157 ´09 670 / 1870 Sport Auto 05/2009
43. Lamborghini Gallardo 7:52 157 ´03 500 / 1613 Sport Auto
44. Ford GT 7:52 157 ´04 550 / 1538 Sport Auto
45. Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 7:52 157 ´08 560 / 1530 sportauto
46. Mercedes CLK DTM 7:54 156 ´04 582 / 1678 Sport Auto
47. Porsche 996 GT3 late 7:54 156 ´03 380 / 1380 Sport Auto
48. Ferrari F430 7:55 156 ´05 489 / 1450 Sport Auto
49. Porsche 996 Turbo 7:56 156 ´00 420 / 1540 Sport Auto
50. Ferrari 360 CS 7:56 156 ´03 425 / 1280 sport auto 02/2004
51. Chevrolet Corvette C5Z06 '02-'04 7:56 156 ´01 411 / 1414 Dave Hill
52. Porsche Panamera Sport Chrono Turbo 7:56 156 ´09 500 / 1974 Walter Roehrl (AutoB
53. Porsche Panamera Turbo 7:56.0 156 ´09 500 / 1870 Walter Röhrl
54. Porsche 996 GT3 early 7:56.33 156 ´99 360 / 1350 Walter Rohl
55. Honda NSX-R 7:56.733 156 ´02 280 / 1270 Motoharu "Gan-san" K
56. Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 7:57.46 (full lap) 155 ´08 560 / 1530 AutoBild sportscars
57. Audi RS4 (B7) 7:58 155 ´05 420 / 1720 Frank Stippler
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Ok, Up to and including three seconds quicker is mine - any more and the quid's yours!!sims wrote:I am happy to bet you a quid.rs4v8 wrote:I'd imagine the ceramics alone would be almost worth 10secs over a non-ceramic equipped RS5 on that track, stronger, more confident braking and lighter weight.sims wrote:The extra 30ps, sport diff and exhaust, ceramics are surely worth the 10 seconds.
75kg heavier than my RS4 though? That's a whole extra passenger! I'm happy to hazard a guess there'll be virtually nothing in it.
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That's what I reckon too Arthur. That Stippler lap seems to have been exceptional, I doubt he'd do another 7.58 in a hundred attempts! The RS4 8.09 by sport auto minus 3 or 4 secs.ArthurPE wrote:my guess, with sport tires 8:00 to 8:05 when tested by sport auto and von Sauma
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the only valid GTR time, independent tester...and a Ring master
7:38 Nissan GT-R Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (07/2009),[21] Dunlop tires
Nissan also ran a 7:38 with cut slicks, Suzuki test driver
it weighs ~ the same as the RS5, and has 50% more torque...
7:38 Nissan GT-R Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (07/2009),[21] Dunlop tires
Nissan also ran a 7:38 with cut slicks, Suzuki test driver
it weighs ~ the same as the RS5, and has 50% more torque...
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yeprs4v8 wrote:That's what I reckon too Arthur. That Stippler lap seems to have been exceptional, I doubt he'd do another 7.58 in a hundred attempts! The RS4 8.09 by sport auto minus 3 or 4 secs.ArthurPE wrote:my guess, with sport tires 8:00 to 8:05 when tested by sport auto and von Sauma
the sport auto RS4 had sport tires, carbon brakes, sport suspension
RS5 has the same torque as the RS4 and weighs more...
it may be slower
RS4 was 8:09 -rs4v8 wrote:
Ok, Up to and including three seconds quicker is mine - any more and the quid's yours!!
Ok. I will be generous and concede up to 8:05, then how about 1 quid for each second below that.
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and it isn't a hotted up a5 (good as the A5 may be).ArthurPE wrote:the only valid GTR time, independent tester...and a Ring master
7:38 Nissan GT-R Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (07/2009),[21] Dunlop tires
Nissan also ran a 7:38 with cut slicks, Suzuki test driver
it weighs ~ the same as the RS5, and has 50% more torque...
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He probably could, but what is the chance of him doing 7:50 in the RS5, if he managed to lop 11 seconds of HvS's time of 8:09 for the RS4.rs4v8 wrote: That Stippler lap seems to have been exceptional, I doubt he'd do another 7.58 in a hundred attempts!.
I say a fair chance, but this is now difficult territory, also politically within the VAG group. Exciting days.
what did the S5 run vs the A5?rs4v8 wrote:and it isn't a hotted up a5 (good as the A5 may be).ArthurPE wrote:the only valid GTR time, independent tester...and a Ring master
7:38 Nissan GT-R Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (07/2009),[21] Dunlop tires
Nissan also ran a 7:38 with cut slicks, Suzuki test driver
it weighs ~ the same as the RS5, and has 50% more torque...
S5 8:24
S4 (avant) 8:29
both by sport auto
the RS5 is not going to be faster than an R8 with sport tires that weighs >300 lbs less and has a mid-engine balanced design...
whats amazing is the RS4 is so close to the R8, same driver...8:09 vs 8:04
or the M6 ~ exact same time 8:09, same driver...both on sport tures...
507 HP vs 420 and only a 70 lb wt difference...much more torque...
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Generous - to whom??!! 8:09 now is it??!!sims wrote:RS4 was 8:09 -rs4v8 wrote:
Ok, Up to and including three seconds quicker is mine - any more and the quid's yours!!
Ok. I will be generous and concede up to 8:05, then how about 1 quid for each second below that.
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