How many unmodified B5 RS4...?

[Contigo]

MRC custom neckarsulm, definitely.

[ronan]

mine is standard apart from B7 front brakes

[neckarsulm]

MRC custom neckarsulm, definitely.

Come on then Doug, do us a good deal, think I'll get it half price if I only want 400 bhp?

On the subject of durability;
The C5 RS6 only came with Tip as no manual box could handle the torque (some say no auto can either...)
The factory RS6 figure is 560nm, a populare remap takes the RS4 from 440nm to 550nm which is mightily close to what was deemed too much torque for a manual 'box by quattro GmbH.
From experience transmissions are the weakest link in VAG cars and when linked to cars that don't wheelspin easily (i.e.quattro) and produce loads of torque (2.7TT) you can see why the factory limit torque output to save them.
Having said that, if you don't drive hard all the time and have a degree of mechanical sympathy then it's unlikely to cause that much trouble.

[quattrokid1]

OURS IS STANDARD except for the diverter valves and the front splitter fitted:)

living in the U.K.....is it really worth it? perfpromance is well outside whats concidered adiquate and with this current IN YOUR FACE environmental treehugger issues ( bollocks to that) and cost of fuel and BIG BROTHER watching every move you make, I dont see the point in making it go faster when all the police are interested in is catching motorists having a bit of fun... FUN in a car ( driving it I mean) has long gone,or speed cameras sprouting up all over the dam road network.

making a car faster is just tempting fate and in this current climate,its not a good idea loosing ones licence either as your job etc!!

[hakkis]

will I retain more value this way?

Any thoughts on this one.

[neckarsulm]

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will I retain more value this way?
Any thoughts on this one.

I have had a good think about this and I don't think a remap or standard is a massive factor in the value of an RS4.
However as they get older it may be more of an issue.

While the tuners insist remaps don't cause cam wear it's accepted that remaps can accelerate engine and transmission wear.
But then so can abusive driving and poor servicing.

suppose a standard car is worth more and assuming you can't believe everything a seller says, can you really tell a standard car from a remapped one on a test drive? I probably can having had both but when I bought my remapped RS4 it had a duff MAF so was down on power and felt stock.

So IMHO no.

[ess4avant]

Mine is still standard apart from rs6 callipers , long term reliability is no.1 priority

[neckarsulm]

Mine is still standard apart from rs6 callipers , long term reliability is no.1 priority

So is it now widely accepted that remaps affect long term reliability?

[TopBear]

Mine is still standard apart from rs6 callipers , long term reliability is no.1 priority

So is it now widely accepted that remaps affect long term reliability?

Why, because 2 people who havent remapped their car say so?

In my view, there are so many more variables involved in the 'long term reliability' of a car, than just whether it has been remapped.

Also what is the definition of 'long term' ?

[neckarsulm]

Topbear, obviously there are variables BUT all other things being equal, would an engine with a remap be more worn after say 100k miles than a standard one?

Engine wear occurs over a long period hence the reference to long term, whether it's a remap or lack of servicing or abusive driving, the effects of this are not immediate and can only be assessed over the "long term"

Seeing as most RS4s are close to 100k miles, its at this "long term" mileage where the effects of the above are more likely to manifest themselves.

My personal view which you may not agree with is that if you go for a remap you are going to drive the car harder, why else would you do it?!
And doing this will, yes, increase engine wear particularly on this engine with so much torque when on WOT boost.

I should say that I have owned both, have standard now and I am considering a remap so I am not biased, just trying to get to the facts.

[ess4avant]

Mine is still standard apart from rs6 callipers , long term reliability is no.1 priority

So is it now widely accepted that remaps affect long term reliability?

Why, because 2 people who havent remapped their car say so?

In my view, there are so many more variables involved in the 'long term reliability' of a car, than just whether it has been remapped.

Also what is the definition of 'long term' ?

My RS4 is 9 years old with 130k on the clock apart from cambelt services and
one front wheel bearing it is still on original clutch, gearbox,drivetrain,exhaust
camshafts etc. and dont use any oil from one service to the next !
thats my definition of ' long term reliability '

[tdiquattro]

Why are you only considering the power?

There are quite a number of changes that make the car much better, surely handling, braking, gearchange, cooling, intercooling, ride height, audio, engine - gearbox - diff mounting sturdiness, reliability, tracking setup, etc

mods arent all about power and can improve and enhance a performance car.

[drjones1]

I to have had both and indeed both of which were eventualy re mapped. In 2002 i had a Revo map and loved it.

My second one in 2009 had an MRC stage 1 map and also love it.

I have to say that from memory the MRC map is better the Revo map appeared (from the sound of the exhust) to produce its power from boost.

The MRC map would appear to produce its power from predominatly timing... but it has 7 years of knowledge on its side..

Having a standard car remapped in my opionion is a no brainer, it is simply a different car.

But!!!! of course it will wear out sooner it is working harder full stop...

[bustermb]

mine is 100% std out the box...... just the way i wanted it when i wanted one and sure the there are a few people wanting a std one when they are looking to buy
plus im fed up of modding
its also nice for people to mod the way they want too

[eyeball]

Mines unmodded aswel, I keep thinking of having an mrc remap but I dont really need it. I have done many modded cars, mainly for rallying but sometimes is nice to see a bog standard motor driving about. I used to have a escort cosworth whichwas in imperial blue and standard and to me that looked better than modded and I reaaly like the RS that that way. Everyone to their own.....but id love to go out in a mrc mapped car to see the difference??...Contigo...lol