Ripped Off By AmD!!

[ibboS4]

Although I am a newboy here, I would like to comment. I have known Amd now for a good few years. I recently bought my S4 & got Amd to remap it & put in a short shift. Before they remapped the car they did a custom check on the car. This report showed I needed an air mass meter & a lamba probe. I purchased these trade & AMD charged me a minimal fee to install these before doing the upgrade. The point I am making is although they are not the cheapest they are the best. Without the pre test, another upgrade company would have just added the power - this would have blown the turbos for sure.

IMHO you gwt what you pay for. AMD are professional, courteous, friendly & full of good advice.

I stand with Amd - 18 years experience & every Audi Group giving them [img]images/graemlins/thumbs.gif[/img]

Please dont diss those that have the passion & knowledge - this comes at a price but then would you go to a mate for plastic surgery?????

[PhilT]

Before they remapped the car they did a custom check on the car. This report showed I needed an air mass meter & a lamba probe....
....Without the pre test, another upgrade company would have just added the power - this would have blown the turbos for sure.

I'm interested in how a faulty lamba and MAF would equate to a pair of blown turbos? Where did this pearl of wisdom come from?

[Nige_RS4]

I'm interested in how a faulty lambda and MAF would equate to a pair of blown turbos? Where did this pearl of wisdom come from?

Possibly due to the engine running lean and the consequence of the extra heat produced by this ??? I'm guessing that AMD are now very pro-active in this area, as there are a couple of RS246 members who have used AMD and have faulty MAF's or fueling issues and have been visited by the dreaded turbo lady. [img]images/graemlins/033102scull_1_prv.gif[/img]

Nothing concrete I know, but at the end of the day, it pays to play safe [img]images/graemlins/gotmesome.gif[/img]

[PhilT]

1. A faulty MAF would have caused the car to run like a dog - A bum dyno will diagnose that.
2. A faulty lamba sensor should trigger some error codes.
3. I have never known anyone blow both turbos at once.

I accept that there are benefits to having a rolling road, but I have to disagree that a tuner is dangerous without a RR.

[Riz_RS4]

Yes agree with Phil... a RR is a good way of providing power graphs and diagnosing problems, but i dont think its necessary to have it offered from every tuning company.

MTM / AmD one-click / Superchips / Revo all seem to have off the self packages for various cars! (correct me if im wrong) [img]images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] but im pretty sure they would/should test the programs on test cars first and perfect the program.

Point being that faults with some parts of the engines would usually show up on the dealers computer and if not one of their experianced master technicians would sort it out..... surely you dont need a RR to find faults?

Riz [img]images/graemlins/s3addict.gif[/img]

[Jon]

Riz - If that was entirely true, how come Audi asked me to take to AMD because "we don't have a RR ourselves, and the technicians need one to analyse what your engine is doing"

[Dippy]

1. A faulty MAF would have caused the car to run like a dog - A bum dyno will diagnose that.
2. A faulty lamba sensor should trigger some error codes.
3. I have never known anyone blow both turbos at once.

I accept that there are benefits to having a rolling road, but I have to disagree that a tuner is dangerous without a RR.

Phil,

A contaminated MAF may cause an engine to run slightly lean but cause no DTCs and not be detected by a Bum dyno which is not as sensitive as yours [img]images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Also you have to accept that not all failure modes are detected by the ECU.

However you are quite right in questioning the statement, since turbo failure due to these problems is not instant, it is a question of longevity.

But if one turbo goes then both must be replaced as they need to be a matched pair.

[Nige_RS4]

1. A faulty MAF would have caused the car to run like a dog - A bum dyno will diagnose that.

Not if it was already on it's way out when you bought the car - like mine was. It was only 'cos I'd driven other 300+bhp cars that I knew something wasn't right and asked my garage to log the MAF readings.

Nige.

[ibboS4]

Thanks for all the input guys, does this mean I didnt need them replaced???

[Riz_RS4]

Riz - If that was entirely true, how come Audi asked me to take to AMD because "we don't have a RR ourselves, and the technicians need one to analyse what your engine is doing"

Some dealers maybe like this.... but i was just sayin in general that if they cant fix a problem then they shouldnt be working with the cars!

I`ve heard plenty of good news about AmD and plenty of bad, but at the end of the day there will always be the for and the against.

Just my 1p

Riz [img]images/graemlins/s3addict.gif[/img]

[RS4_Barry]

Riz - If that was entirely true, how come Audi asked me to take to AMD because "we don't have a RR ourselves, and the technicians need one to analyse what your engine is doing"

Audi (VAG group) do have a rolling road a pretty pukka one at that - contained in its own temperature controlled cell. Its based in their technology centre at Milton Keynes. Been there seen it.

[Jon]

thats strange...they said they didn't have one...suppose they don't want to wear it out?

[Riz_RS4]

Jon maybe some dealers are crap and some are not.... my local dealer has been ok in the sense they have done all jobs professionally, although alittle over-priced....... i do sometimes get fed up of the high charges but at the end of the day they`ve not caused me any majour problems.

Riz [img]images/graemlins/s3addict.gif[/img]

[Jon]

i've had my fair share of bad audi dealers...but it was audi uk that told me to go to AMD.

[Dippy]

Well, Audi UK already ripped you off for the price of your car so maybe they felt that they ought to be generous to you for a change?