RNS-D "Connection to rds-tmc tuner is faulty..."

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RNS-D "Connection to rds-tmc tuner is faulty..."

Post by Shoppinit » Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:27 pm

Hi.

I've just bought an RS6 (2002) and am loving it. Looks like I should have paid a bit more attention to the electronics before I bought it though, instead of messing around under the car looking for leaky dampers!

Anyway, I'm getting the following message from the RNS-D display:

"Connection to rds-tmc tuner is faulty or could not be established"

Steering wheel buttons don't work. Center console "menu" button and twisty knob similarly inactive.

TV works fine, as does CD player. It won't pick up any FM stations.

No radio information on dash display.

Does anyone have any ideas? Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks.

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Post by Shoppinit » Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:08 pm

Is this a stupid question? For someone used to 12V positive and negative, the whole CAN bus thing is a bit confusing... Does anyone know of a basic tutorial?
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Post by PetrolDave » Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:59 pm

The TMC tuner is not just a TMC tuner - it's also a CAN bus converter that sits between the RNS-D/TV tuner and the rest of the car. Which explains why the TV and CD player work, but FM stations and steering wheel buttons/DIS display don't work.

You need a replacement TMC tuner.
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Post by Dippy » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:12 pm

Could be just an electrical fault. I lost the use of my MFSW controls a year or 2 ago and was thinking of replacing the TMC. I started to troubleshoot it myself but I had a dashpod fault which was draining my battery so in the end I handed it to my local stealer to solve. They replaced the pod, but the MFSW problem was actually due to a short in the wiring. I'm not sure about the RS6, but in the B5 the TMC/Can Gateway is right behind the knee bolster on the drivers side. Easy to open up and check the connections.
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Post by Shoppinit » Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:57 pm

Thank you both for the replies. I swapped out the TMC canbus module and everything suddenly just started working perfectly. I never thought it would be so easy.

I wonder why these TMC modules fail so often. I took the broken one apart and couldn't see anything obviously wrong with it... burned components, etc.

While I had the dash off, I discovered some pretty weird stuff... Anyone have any idea what this is:

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It was screwed on the other side of the TMC module. Can't be standard, surely? The name would suggest something bluetooth.

Any clues would be much appreciated!
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Post by PetrolDave » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:19 am

Sounds like some kind of aftermarket bluetooth module...

The domain blutwo.com is owned by this guy:

Registrant:
Rischard, CHRISTOPHER
7700 Zulima Court
Bethesda, MD 20817
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Domain Name: BLUTWO.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Rischard, CHRISTOPHER
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+33-6-7919-6842 fax: 202.944.9610

Record expires on 09-Jun-2009.
Record created on 09-Jun-2005.
Database last updated on 2-Jan-2009 05:20:39 EST.

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Post by Shoppinit » Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:18 am

I think that domain is just coincidence. I'll have to attempt to trace the wiring and find out where it goes...

I also found some kind of tracker system behind the glovebox. It has some kind of antenna cables that go to the front bumper and a green LED on the box.

If I disconnect any of the connectors, the car won't start! This is a bit worrying. I presume it's cutting the fuel pump and possibly some other circuits. Not sure whether to leave well enough alone or try and remove it.

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Post by PetrolDave » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:18 pm

Shoppinit wrote:IIf I disconnect any of the connectors, the car won't start! This is a bit worrying. I presume it's cutting the fuel pump and possibly some other circuits. Not sure whether to leave well enough alone or try and remove it.
I would leave it well alone.

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Post by Shoppinit » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:26 pm

I tend to agree!
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Post by Sellers75 » Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:08 pm

Shoppinit wrote:Thank you both for the replies. I swapped out the TMC canbus module and everything suddenly just started working perfectly. I never thought it would be so easy.

I wonder why these TMC modules fail so often. I took the broken one apart and couldn't see anything obviously wrong with it... burned components, etc.

If you've still got the old module you might want to hang onto it as it may still work - so you may have a spare / saleable part....

I've had the exact same issue in my RS4 B5 and after trawling the forums and making a call to a specialist electrical business ended up taking some advice which was: "Take the relevant fuse out that supplies power to the TMC Module for 10 mins then put it in again - that'll reboot the unit."

I did - it worked! (Actually I took about 4 fuses out as I wasn't sure which it'd be and I wanted to nail it) Couldn't believe such a simple solution actually worked.

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Post by Shoppinit » Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:22 pm

I had tried to reboot several times with the fuse and by disconnecting the battery. Sadly, no luck.

I might try it again next time I've got the dash open just in case it starts working again!

Thanks anyway!
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Post by don » Sat May 22, 2010 1:08 am

I installed an RNS-D into my B5 a few months ago. I know I am a bit behind the times and had it sitting in the cupboard for over a year.

However, I am assuming my car does not have a TMC tuner due to reporting this fault.

Would anyone have one they are willing to sell me who has upgraded to an RNS-E or know of where to buy one?

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Post by Shoppinit » Sat May 22, 2010 8:41 am

I don't know if it's possible to turn the TMC off. Have a look in the hidden menu:

http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/showthread ... en-Options

I got mine from ebay. That's probably your best bet:

http://shop.ebay.de/i.html?_nkw=4B19198 ... m270.l1313

Let me know if you want an installation guide for the RNS-D.
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Post by don » Sat May 22, 2010 10:58 am

Thanks, that looks like what I need, although I was hoping to get one for less than 125 euro but I will consider it.

I would appreciate instructions on how to connect the TMC tuner up to the RNS-D and DIS if you have them.

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Post by Shoppinit » Sat May 22, 2010 11:13 am

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