Was God an astronaut?

[JohnRet.]

God put the dinosaurs there to test us. Just like everything that can't be explained.... IT'S A TEST.

I have no idea what that means at all. Care to elaborate?[/quote]

I've heard Christians say it, to explain why there are fossils of Dinosaurs... because of course: Man was the first inhabitant of earth....

[S4TAN]

I've heard Christians say it, to explain why there are fossils of Dinosaurs... because of course: Man was the first inhabitant of earth....

Ah - I see. You were taking the piss a little then ...?

[JohnRet.]

yes

[GardinerG]

As if we would? Must be the devil in us.

[Turbo Joe]

JohnW Wrote:

once more I will ask, what's your day job, and which religion are you.
I live in hope that maybe one day you'll answer these last two questions.



I won't answer the 1st question as I don't see what that has to do with anything at all. As for the 2nd, Im just a christian, I don't hold to any factions within Christianity.

As for evidence, the creationist and the evolutionist are both looking at the same evidence, however they both interpret the evidence in different ways. The evolutionist however is constantly trying to place his interpretation in with the facts and evidence as if it belongs there but it doesn't.

As for waiting for evidence, you don't want to see it. I presented you with some serious problems with your own theory and you ignored them. I presented you with the fact that the earth could never have been a hot molten mass as the evolution theory states as then how would granite have formed since when granite is heated and then cooled back down, it doesn't form back into granite again.

The 2nd law of thermodynamics is another serious problem for the evolution theory. The 2nd law of thermodynamics basically states that everything is winding down, everything falls apart over time. The evolution theory states however that you can overcome this law and increase in complexity just by adding energy. This is nonsense as the sun adds energy to this earth all the time and the sun's energy is destructive to everything on earth apart from the complex chemical called chlorophyll. This clearly shows us that only adding energy will not work. The sun will destroy the paintwork on your car, it will destroy the roof on your house over time, it will burn you if you're out in it for too long. Try throwing petrol in the front seat and see it you go anywhere. No , obviously a complex mechanism called an engine is needed to utilise the energy of petrol/diesel. This clearly shows that there must be intelligence behind the effectual utilising of energy and complex machanisms as complex mechanisms do not and cannot build themselves.

I presented you with the moon problem for the evolutionist, the fact that at the observed current rate of loss, calculated back, 1.2 million years ago the moon would have been touching the earth, the tides would have been ridiculously high, drowning everything on earth twice a day, the winds would have been at least 4000- 5000mph from the Coriolis effect. Everything on earth would have been crushed to bits from the g force exerted. This is just going back 1.2 MILLION YEARS. The evolutionist states the world is 4.6 BILLION YEARS OLD. Being honest, I can see a serious problem here.

The big bang has numerous gaps and holes in it. The evolutionist doesn't not tell us where the matter came from to form the planets and the stars or where the energy came from to cause this explosion from this spinning object at the beginning.

The evolutionist doesn't explain how life could come from non living material. According to the theory, it rained on the rocks for millions of years and turned them into soup and the soup somehow came alive. Since we have never observed in the entire history of the human race life coming from anything other than life, how could life have come from non life long ago and far away?

The evolutionist cannot explain how one animal could produce a fundamentally different kind even though all we observe today is animals producing the same kind, dogs produce dogs, cats produce cats, rats produce rats etc. This confirms what the bible says that the animals would "bring forth after their kind". Experimentations have also shown us that you cannot crossbreed different kinds of animals, there is a barrier. So what explaination does the evolutionist give, none other than "it just must of happened because we are here".

The evolutionist doesn't explain how we got all our elements from just hydrogen as according to the theory, the earth at the beginning had a "reducing atmosphere" void of oxygen. Uranium from Hydrogen????? At this point the evolutionist tries to call upon fusion in stars but the problem here is that you cannot fuse past iron. Also since there was no oxygen on the primative earth, how did water formed as you need as well as 2 hydrogen atoms, 1 oxygen atom. This creates a serious problem for the evolutionist because without oxygen life cannot survive so then how could any life get started to begin with.

See because of these serious problems in the evolution theory, there is no reason for me discard my bible in the bin and every reason to trust in what is says with even more zeal.

[Turbo Joe]

There is no test that can show us that everything evolved from a rock 4.6 billion years ago. There is no test that shows us that animals in the past could produce something other than their kind. All we have ever seen is animals produce the same kind of animal, now that is science.

B-lower - you're clearly insane.

THERE IS NO TEST THAT CAN SHOW US GENESIS IS TRUE - IF I'M WRONG THEN PROVE IT; SHOW ME THE TEST THAT PROVES THE VERACITY OF GENESIS.

DNA SHOWS US THAT THE HIGHER PRIMATES ARE ONLY DIFFERENTIATED FROM HUMANS BY 2% (I.E. WE SHARE 98% OF THE SAME DNA)

YOU SAY YOU WILL CREAM US ALL WITH YOUR ARGUMENTS - YOU SAY YOU WILL EMBARRASS US WITH YOUR PROOF - YOU SAY YOU WILL "RIP THE FACE OFF OUR EVIDENCE" - PLEASE DO SO.

PLEASE NOW POST UP THE EVIDENCE FOR GENESIS - THE SCIENTIFIC PROOF FOR GENESIS - ANY <beep> PROOF FOR YOUR RIDICULOUS MALEVOLENT GOD.

WHERE IS THE OBSERVATION FOR GENESIS?

WHERE IS ADAM AND EVES MUMMIFIED BODIES, NOAHS BODY, ANY <beep> BODY FROM GENESIS?

CUT THE CRAP - SHOW US THE PROOF OF YOUR GODS EXISTENCE.

DO IT NOW! SHOW ME THE SCIENCE OF GENESIS.

I WILL NOT WASTE ANYMORE TIME WITH YOUR LUNACY UNTIL YOU POST UP THE EVIDENCE - YOU'VE CIRCUMVENTED THE QUESTIONS ASKED OF YOU EVERY SINGLE TIME- YOU, AND YOUR GHASTLY MEDIEVAL RELIGION FAIL CONSISTENTLY AND DISMALLY.

YOU ARE AN UTTER FOOL - YOUR LIFE IS WASTED.

I've done concluded that you don't want to see any proof, you just want to remain willingly ignorant as any evidence that I present, you'll just try to weasel your way out with some sort of snazzy comment or twisted thinking. I presented you with several problems with your theory which is blatantly says that it cannot and could never have worked but you took no notice. Your blood is upon your own head. Also because you do not believe in a God or a devil, you have no choice but to blame your fellow MAN for all the calamities, disasters, evil and destruction in the world. So by your philosphy we are all doomed for destruction as we can clearly observe that nothing is improving in the world and things are getting worse 10 fold.

[GardinerG]

we are all doomed for destruction as we can clearly observe that nothing is improving in the world and things are getting worse 10 fold.

Until each and every one of us takes responsibility for our own actions and makes an effort to work together as a race you are probably right, but it's nothing to do with "god". Why blame man for a natural disaster? The earth is evolving and our position on this planet is precarious at best. Deal with it, please don't blame "God" or stick your head in the sand.

Also, the perception that someone is either good or evil is simply wrong; a given action may be percieved to be "Good" or "Evil" but that doesn't mean that a person is wholy "Good" or "Evil"; unless I suppose you believe that there are no second chances in which case everyone is f00ked when they die because we are all going to Hell anyway (if you believe in such things). Can you honestly (in the face of your God) say that you have always done good (without exception)? You didn't swear at someone, hurt someone, fancy someone else's wife, steal, cheat, lie etc? Even as a child when you didn't understand such concepts?

After all, most of the real "Evil" visited on this world is a result of/ driven by or is acceptable to religion (murder, buggery, mutilation, greed). I put no stock in it.

[Turbo Joe]

quote]Until each and every one of us takes responsibility for our own actions and makes an effort to work together as a race you are probably right, but it's nothing to do with "god". Why blame man for a natural disaster? The earth is evolving and our position on this planet is precarious at best. Deal with it, please don't blame "God" or stick your head in the sand.

Also, the perception that someone is either good or evil is simply wrong; a given action may be percieved to be "Good" or "Evil" but that doesn't mean that a person is wholy "Good" or "Evil"; unless I suppose you believe that there are no second chances in which case everyone is f00ked when they die because we are all going to Hell anyway (if you believe in such things). Can you honestly (in the face of your God) say that you have always done good (without exception)? You didn't swear at someone, hurt someone, fancy someone else's wife, steal, cheat, lie etc? Even as a child when you didn't understand such concepts?

After all, most of the real "Evil" visited on this world is a result of/ driven by or is acceptable to religion (murder, buggery, mutilation, greed). I put no stock in it.[/quote]


I agree sir, it is too easy to blame God for everything which seems to be the premise from certain corners. Others indeed want to just think everything will hold out until they pass away so thst they don't have to get their finger out and do anything to improve the world's predicament. Evil times are overclouding us at an alarming rate, things are looking very grim.

The problem with your gauging if somebody is good or evil is you are doing it according to man's standard of things. Man's standard cannot be trusted as it changes all the time and many things that were once considered evil, bad or wicked are now considered good or the norm. If we look on whether a person is good or evil through the eyes of a living God, things look very different as the standard of God has not and will not change, it has always remained constant.

So yes, in the light of God's laws and the fact that he says that no one is good, yes we are all shafted and destined for hell........however this is exactly why Christ died, so people do not have to go to Hell, Christ already paid the penalty for man's disobedience and rebellion...and this is the main problem, man loves the mire that he is wollowing in too much and doesn't want to recognise that he is headed for destruction without Christ. Some folks enjoy their lifestyles too much to put them down.

As for doing good, you are 100% correct, I cannot say in the face of God that I have always done good, I have done evil just like everybody else, maybe some things not as extreme as others but that doesn't make any difference in the eyes of God, a sin is a sin period. Time doesn't erase the past so God has a record of everything I have said, thought or done as well as everybody else on the planet. The difference between me and the next man is that because I have recognised that I am doomed to hell because of these evils, accepted Christ as my LORD and saviour and decided to live for him instead of myself, my records of sin have been wiped clean and are constantly being erased everytime that I recognise that I have done wrong and I ask for God to forgive me.

Also God gives you power to not commit those same evils which you did in times past. Not only that, he changes your desires also so that you do not want to go back to those evil practices. So living for God, you are not thrown out into the battle field empty handed, you are given the necessary tools you require to get the job done and to live clean.

People have been using christianity for their own agendas for years but it doesn't take a genuis to recognise that this is just pure abuse of the faith. A quick read of the gospels will so obviously indicate that what some folks have done in the name of God and the Christian faith is the polar opposite to what Christ instructed. So then the question is if Christ didn't condone it then where did if come from? I think the answer is blatantly men and their own evil schemes.

Whether people believe in God or not, many people are starting to acknowledge at least one thing that the bible says, that man is a fallen creature and needs a saviour. You don't even have to go far within your own area to realise that something is wrong in the world and man is destroying himself and can't seem to fix it regardless.

[JohnW]

I won't answer the 1st question as I don't see what that has to do with anything at all. As for the 2nd, Im just a christian, I don't hold to any factions within Christianity.

Okay, fair comment, just interested thats all, as your depth of knowledge seems extensive.

As for evidence, the creationist and the evolutionist are both looking at the same evidence, however they both interpret the evidence in different ways. The evolutionist however is constantly trying to place his interpretation in with the facts and evidence as if it belongs there but it doesn't.

Nope, they are presented as theories, not fact. The evidence does not allow either of them to be reproduced, so they remain theories.

As for waiting for evidence, you don't want to see it. I presented you with some serious problems with your own theory and you ignored them.

I'm sorry, but disproving or undermining one theory does not make the other option right, as there could be other as yet unknown or unpresented theories.

As I said before, I am not satisfied that either is 100% true as it has not been proven as such. I cannot prove or disprove ghosts exist, so I choose to reserve judgement on that too.

If believing in god based on the facts you reel off works for you I'm pleased for you, just don't adopt the attitude that others who are not quite so convinced by the 'proof' are wrong / second rate / bad / evil.

[Turbo Joe]

Apologies sir, I didn't mean to be so abrupt, I mistakenly grouped you in with S4-Tan and his crew, having battled the antichrist, I'm was abit on edge, once again I apologise. As for my employent, I'm a train operator for LUL/TFL.

[s4woody]

I'm a train operator

its the fat controller...toot toot...

[S4TAN]

I mistakenly grouped you in with S4-Tan and his crew, having battled the antichrist,

Blower - you're an idiot. End of. Trying to reason with you is like trying to explain aeroplanes, the internet and television to a Neanderthal in one go.

Unfortunately the day you realise you've been conned will be the day you die. But, alas, even then you won't realise - because you will no longer be a coherent conscious entity; you'll return to oblivion and will not be aware of anything - you will NOT be sitting next to some big-bearded guy in the clouds while he pats you on the head for eternity and tells you you've been a good boy.

Your so called scientific evidence is pathetic - the stuff about the moon is SO bad I can only surmise that it's been written by yet another deluded Christian idiot with a Creationist agenda using extremely warped pseudo-science and bad mathematics (this theory of yours will certainly not have been written or promoted by an independent and qualified planetary scientist or astronomer)

After countless requests of you to supply evidence of Genesis (which you've very loudly proclaimed that you can) you've supplied exactly none at all - you've simply tried to pick holes in current theories for evolution etc - that is NOT evidence FOR Genesis.

You've stated you will embarrass us with your powerful arguments - but unfortunately the only person you've managed to embarrass is yourself - and in that you've done an outstanding job.

It's now unnecessary for me to destroy your arguments any further - you've so very clearly displayed a level of dogma, indoctrination, and sheer unadulterated brain-washing that I'm convinvced it will be blatantly apparent to anyone reading this thread - your stupidity and arrogance is astounding.

My only regret is that I've wasted so much time on a person who believes in such glaring fantasies as wrathful and vengeful Gods, planets created in 6 days, men who can walk on water and return from death, Heaven and Hell, Christs and Anti-Christs, Devils, Demons and who knows what other imaginary beings your terribly warped world-view encompasses. (Trolls, Goblins, Fairies .... Hobbits maybe?)


Goodbye B-lower - enjoy your delusion while you can. And remember this episode when it all comes crashing down around you.

[VARSITY]

I mistakenly grouped you in with S4-Tan and his crew, having battled the antichrist,

Blower - you're an idiot. End of. Trying to reason with you is like trying to explain aeroplanes, the internet and television to a Neanderthal in one go.

Unfortunately the day you realise you've been conned will be the day you die. But, alas, even then you won't realise - because you will no longer be a coherent conscious entity; you'll return to oblivion and will not be aware of anything - you will NOT be sitting next to some big-bearded guy in the clouds while he pats you on the head for eternity and tells you you've been a good boy.

Your so called scientific evidence is pathetic - the stuff about the moon is SO bad I can only surmise that it's been written by yet another deluded Christian idiot with a Creationist agenda using extremely warped pseudo-science and bad mathematics (this theory of yours will certainly not have been written or promoted by an independent and qualified planetary scientist or astronomer)

After countless requests of you to supply evidence of Genesis (which you've very loudly proclaimed that you can) you've supplied exactly none at all - you've simply tried to pick holes in current theories for evolution etc - that is NOT evidence FOR Genesis.

You've stated you will embarrass us with your powerful arguments - but unfortunately the only person you've managed to embarrass is yourself - and in that you've done an outstanding job.

It's now unnecessary for me to destroy your arguments any further - you've so very clearly displayed a level of dogma, indoctrination, and sheer unadulterated brain-washing that I'm convinvced it will be blatantly apparent to anyone reading this thread - your stupidity and arrogance is astounding.

My only regret is that I've wasted so much time on a person who believes in such glaring fantasies as wrathful and vengeful Gods, planets created in 6 days, men who can walk on water and return from death, Heaven and Hell, Christs and Anti-Christs, Devils, Demons and who knows what other imaginary beings your terribly warped world-view encompasses. (Trolls, Goblins, Fairies .... Hobbits maybe?)


Goodbye B-lower - enjoy your delusion while you can. And remember this episode when it all comes crashing down around you.

Julian, the way in which you arrange words is an artform.

Total crap at times, but none the less art.

[S4TAN]

Tell you what - let's just settle this now:

Blower - you've been right all along.

So, in synopsis then: A wrathful and vengeful God exists, It created the entire universe and all life-forms in 6 days, the universe is only 6,000 or so years old, Adam and Eve were real people, so was Noah, Heaven and Hell are real places, Dinosaurs were on the Ark, a guy called Jesus was a super-human miracle worker who was born of a virgin woman - he could walk on water and resurrect himself after death, the Anti-Christ is real and lives amongst us, modern day science is fraud and lies and part of a larger Satanic conspiracy theory, the fossil record is a lie, every single one of us is born a sinner without exception and we'll all go to Hell unless we believe in Blowers God, all other religions except Blowers are false and their adherents will burn in Hell for following the wrong God, all the other people who don't follow any God at all will also burn in Hell, and I am almost certainly going to Hell when I die wherein I will be tortured for eternity in the flames of purgatory by my supposed master (Satan).

Yep - all sounds very reasonable and credible to me.

[JohnW]

Julian, the way in which you arrange words is an artform.

Total crap at times, but none the less art.