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Post by berry100 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:13 am

Knew this was gonna happen when I got the RS in Phantom Black, it's ruddy filthy!!! can anyone recommend a decent hand car wash or mobile valeter in the North West area, preferably near Preston/Wigan/Manchester.....

I know I should do it meself, but the missus has got me doing all the DIY on the house now to compensate for what I've just spent on the car :lol:

The car did look fabulous when I picked it up on Monday but after a couple of days, it looks like it needs a good scrub already....weather wasn't that forgiving though earlier this week.....

Thanks in advance :D

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Post by ARSEY4 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:06 am

Dont be such a lazy barstool :D be prepared to have lots of swirl marks unless you pay for a professional detailer. The 40/50 quid man is gonna be wanting to be in and out quick to get it done profitably. As you are doing try and get a really good referral. Good luck. :)

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Post by chillin » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:22 am

Ditto with Arsey - you get what you pay for, so go for quality. My previous car was a 997 Carrera 4S in Atlas Grey (dark grey metallic), it looked awesome but needed washed every day ...........

My new misano red RS4 is the DB's and I get away with washing it every 2/3days - it's now three months old, a good jet wash and dry and it looks as good as it did when it left the showroom, but as I'm sure we'll all agree - the alloys are just 19" sex objects, but what a pain to clean ......... but then again if you were asked to wash Eva Mendes a couple of times a week, then I doubt very much if any of us would be complaining .......
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Post by Andyuk911 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:42 am

get a foam gun
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Post by berry100 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:50 am

Are the jet washes okay to use? Or would you consider them to powerful on the paintwork?

Failing all this might just have to dig out the bucket and sponge!!!! after a day's DIY!!

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Post by chunky79 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:01 am

i just read that little nasty word SPONGE !!! go and get a wash mitt to save your paint work. i had been using a sponge untill i started reading this site and now i won't even use one to get the stubborn bits from my rear. :shock:
there are lots of really helpful people on this site who have helped me transform my wash kit. you can really make a HUGE difference to your baby if you clean it with some quality equipment

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Post by berry100 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:12 am

Oops sorry bit flippant there, I would use one of the mitts....

Just to get me through to the weekend before I go car shampoo and wax shopping, will a local jet wash be okay on the car?

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Post by chunky79 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:21 am

just to note i didn't use wash mitt on rear either!!! jacbox on this site sent me a superb write up on car care. only got 3 more weeks of rest after my back op and i can hopefully put it all into practice! stevieyid had also given me a good shopping list to choose from. bet you already have a good cleaning kitt and i'm just rambling on for no reason. i'll shut up now :roll:

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Post by berry100 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:48 am

Believe it or not, I've no cleaning kit yet as I'm totally unprepared and have only ever gone to the local latvian carwash!!

But the RS deserves better!! If anyone could PM or post on here me the best way to clean the car, preferably not taking any longer than 2 hours as I've got 2 little uns to entertain the rest of the time!

Apologies in advance for not delving into this forum more and finding out for myself!!

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Post by rikrose » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:18 am

I did my car last night. I'll list the technique below. For a wash and dry, you can get away with < 2 hours. If you want it to look Really Really Good, it's going to take longer, but at least you can take breaks to .. uh.. change the DVD for the little-uns :)

The basic premise is Don't Scratch The Paint. So, you're going to need a wash mitt, 2 buckets of water that's not too hot to keep your hand in, and your favourite car shampoo (hint, Zymol, poorboys, meguiars. all available at Halfords in an emergency), a shammy, for drying, your favourite wax/sealant and a wax applicator pad, and either a nice soft terry towel or a microfibre towel for polishing the wax. Start on a Saturday.

If you have the hose to hand, use it to rinse the top layer of dirt off. Don't force it under high pressure - you're trying to float the dirt off, not force it into the paintwork. Don't worry too much if you haven't got a hose that reaches though.

Now, wash mitt on hand, into the soapy hot water and onto the roof. Don't let the excess water come off the mitt before you go to the roof becuase you want as much water as possible up there. You're floating the dirt away, unless it gets stuck in the nice deep pile on the mitt. Work from the top of the roof to the low parts. When you're running wlo on water, dunk your mitt in the non-soapy bucket and shake to rinse it out, and leave the chunky scratch horrible particles there. Lift out, squeeze to drain the mitt, then into the soapy bucket to continue with the car. The idea here is not to transfer the dirt back onto the car, and so you don't want to leave it in the soapy water bucket either.

Work from the top of the car down, so that you're never transferring freshly moved dirt onto an already washed part of the car.

Eventually (20 minutes?) you'll have soaped the car up. Now, throw out your dirty water, rinse the bucket, and then fill with warm water again. We're now going to rinse the car and shammy it dry to avoid streaks. There shouldn't be any dirt to worry about, so we only need the one bucket. We are still saving the soapy bucket for later though.

So, non-soapy mitt onto roof, using plenty of water to push the last of the soap suds away, then drop the mitt back in the bucket, and shammy the roof off quick, to avoid water marks. Repeat for the rest of the car, working from the top down, to avoid water-marking some part you've already done.

Now you have a clean, dry car.

Change the DVD now.

At this point, you can choose to clay your car, if you have time. I'll describe that below, since you said you only have 2 hours, and claying takes longer than that the first time.

Put 5 ml of wax on your pad, and cover square foot of paintwork with it, rubbing it in with a nice firm even stroke. When you've coated a panel, move on to the next. When you've coated 3 panels, it's time to polish the wax on the first. Using the terry/microfibre towel, polish the wax layer. The first wax layer wants to be done nice firm, to fill in all the little micro holes/dimples in the paintwork. Subsequent layers will enhance this.

So, now you've done 3 panels. Repeat for the rest of the car.

At the top, I mentioned to start on Saturday. That's because on Sunday, you want to wax your car a second time, polishing a little less firmly this time. That'll leave a very smooth layer of wax that'll be the ablative protection layer on your paintwork. You want to have given the original layer 18 hours to cure and harden before you put the second layer on. The second layer is the one that'll be scratched, abraded, tree-sapped, tarred, bird-droppinged, etc, and then possibly stripped away when you clean the car next. But it's a second layer. Second layer good.

Now your car should be all lovely and clean, and protected.

But it won't have that smooth glassy feel under your fingers like it just arrived from the dealer. The way to achieve that is to send the wife and kids out shopping and to a film, and give yourself about 4 hours to clay the car, at the point I said above.

With detailing clay you must have cleaned the car thoroughly, and dried it. Then follow the clay directions. There is such a thing as too much lubricant, and as soon as the clay starts to go squidgy, find somewhere clean to put it down, and start again with a new piece. Wheile you're working on it, if it starts to feel more like blu-tack then clay, stop and dry it off. When you're working the clay, it's the wight of the clay that exterts all the pressure needed. Don't press! You aim to do nothing more than feel the texture of the paint through the clay's movements, which means not pressing at all! It will feel rough. Then a little more smooth. Then glassy. When it's glassy, move the centre of the circle you're working a little way, until you've worked the whole panel smooth. 1 spray from a spray bottle of lubricant should cover about a square foot, and before you apply clay to car, a tiny squirt of lubricant onto the clay directly should be worked in with your fingers - just enough to make it feel tacky, but remember to pay attention to the warning above.

The first time you cleay your car, you want to leave 4 hours or more, and to have enough time to wax it after.

It will look and feel like it's just rolled out of the showroom.
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Post by berry100 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:52 am

Thanks for that, in terms of getting the car a bit clean today to last me till the weekend, would a jet wash do much harm? Starting to sound a bit naive here!!!!

Just that I've never bothered paying that much attention to the car cleanin, but now i've got the RS4....IT'S TIME!!

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Post by rikrose » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:51 pm

I didn't bother until I got my S4 :)

Overall, you're likely to do more damamge with the jet wash than you do good by cleaning it. If you leave it dirty until the weekend, then the dirt stays where it is - it's not moving around and causing more scratching. If you jet wash it, you're using a high pressure stream of water to drive that dirt against your paintwork really really hard.

I'd leave it until the weekend until you can do a good job by hand.
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Post by berry100 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:41 pm

Right...here goes, just been to the local halfords and bought a Meguiars Kit which comprised of the Shampoo & conditioner and a liquid wax, also got the microfibre towels and mitt....all in all cost £28.97 on the 3 for 2 offer....

Am not adventurous enough yet for the claybar work (not too mention lazy!)

Prob could have got the above cheaper elsewhere but am keen to do it tonight now with what I've read on here....

Will get the kids to bed tonight then give it a go weather permitting!!

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Post by rikrose » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:30 pm

It's probably a good thing to get a friend who's clayed their car over for the first time, so that you know the feel is right. I wrote off an ounce of mine after screwing it up, and narrowly avoided killing my paintwork too. It'll also half the job time :)

Post pics when you're done :)
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Post by chunky79 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:22 pm

thats the outside of the car done. can someone better than me put a little write up regarding the inside for both leather and alacantara please?

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