MTM chip or MRC ?

[coxw]

Coxw 48 post and 14 years says it all.
Cant wait for some more advice.
How have we survived!

Great logic! Well considered & thought out.

Nice way to welcome new members and encourage open public opinion! Well done sir!

[DavidT]

Coxw 48 post and 14 years says it all.
Cant wait for some more advice.
How have we survived!

Great logic! Well considered & thought out.

Nice way to welcome new members and encourage open public opinion! Well done sir!

I agree with that, but had assumed you knew each other.

What was the intention of your post please Gordon ? we seen to have misunderstood it.

[Jarv]

Coxw 48 post and 14 years says it all.
Cant wait for some more advice.
How have we survived!

Great logic! Well considered & thought out.

Nice way to welcome new members and encourage open public opinion! Well done sir!

I agree with that, but had assumed you knew each other.

What was the intention of your post please Gordon ? we seen to have misunderstood it.

I got to agree with G, how dare that man come onto this independant friendly forum with less than 12,000 posts in 14 minutes saying that he's never heard of MRC. Coxw, we need 3 'hail Doug's' and and a pledge to bear mini-minhea's, should you be required to do so.

I signed up to 246 to listen to the same 10 people telling me how fantastic their MRC remap is, and I'm not prepared to read anything to the contrary. the thought police are gonna get ya.

Oh, and before I get slaughtered, my tongue is firmly in my cheek.

[coxw]

If its any consolation I do have 2000 posts on SEATCUPRA.net where I was a member since 2002, but since switching allegiance to Audi had been looking for a friendly open forum to share opinions and get help if I had an issue.

At times my posts could be construed as a bit 'direct'; I guess my day job as an IT Auditor means I tend to be fairly frank with my ramblings, but if nothing else I try to be objective and clear and inoffensive.

I was more suprised by the fact I had never heard of MRC, given the obvious level of expertise they have (and by the fact that I'd lived in Banbury for 5 years). It wasn't a slander on them based on the fact that if I didn't know about them then they are aren't worth knowing about. My actual concern was that I had just spent over a grand with QST and MAYBE I should have spent my cash somewhere else.

I may not be an engineer, but I'm passionate about VAG performance cars. I may not know every technical detail of every car, but have been actively modifying my Mk1 / 2 Golf GTi's (8v/16v), Lupo GTi, Leon Cupra R, Ibiza Cupra's (all my own) since 1993. Although it doesn't make me close to an authority on anything, I hope along the way I have picked up some useful base level knowledge that can be shared amongst the VAG community. I have used a range of tuning houses (AmD / RSD / Dubsport / Dialynx / QST / Owen Developments / Westec), and so feel slightly aggrieved that I am being judged on 48 posts on the site.

I'm sure there is a misunderstanding somewhere which can be overcome easily, so apologies for distracting and taking the thread off topic.

[ZeroK66]

As for your comment regarding MRC - I think they are big on the 2.7T - no other cars really. This (to my knowledge) is where 99% of the active forum members owning a 2.7T car are active... I don't know of any other forums. That would be why you have not heard of MRC.

I think they'd be unhappy to hear your thoughts on that. They are big on the S2Forum and have loads of experience on S2's and RS2's

You also only need to look at their website and see they've done stuff with VAG four pot motors also...

Yes of course sorry... what I meant is maybe not so popular with other manufacturers (IE: Seat VW etc) I know they do work with them, but they are well known for their work with Audi's - forgot about their S2/RS2 work... of course yet again great work done there.

I know they do a lot for the 1.8T now, but obv not as well known in that case as they are with the 5/6cyl audis

[ZeroK66]

Leon Im sure the MTM chip runs at 1.2 bar on the S4. Not 1.4 bar. Im pretty sure of it, as thats what boost MR collins of QST informed me that it was running. This was a about a year ago.

Deffo got boost plots put against MRC map, AMD map and the MTM map and mine ran quite a bit more - especially at red line which was really high. Bye bye K03... which did happen to me

[saf]

Okay, if oyu seen the boost plots then thats good enough evidence for me. I would have like to see a few others though. I know revo run 1.4 bar, SKN 1.3 bar.

My custom remap by MRC runs 1.25 bar and runs well. Still whining like your K03's started to whine Leon, but its pretty much whenever you press the gas all the way up to red line.

I guess I went to MRC because I wanted them to see in real time what the car would take. Was going to be 1.3 bar, but then it was dropped to 1.25 bar which was safer for my car. Had I put in an skn at 1.3 bar, My turbos would have surely popped by now. At least I get to play with them a little longer before going k04's / hybrids.....

[flashyg]

No sorry did not meant to be rude.

But your comparison in the second paragraph from a single turbo to a twin turbo is not exactly logical.

Third paragraph
You say you have little experience of Audi tuning.

Seventh paragraph. In this paragraph you dismiss custom maps as a result of your experience with a certain mapping,
(This is so difficult to do as you do not really know the car and its faults which most cars have at any given time) but this is understandable any one can do this.

Still quite belittling to custom tuning. Yet most tuners you have mentioned don’t really do it.

You compare REVO to a custom map but REVO has custom options in it as you well know. Also REVO is well known for high boost so you can expect differences.

You state you are shocked after 14 years not hearing of MRC / Doug / all big Audi people in the real Audi forums in the uk 5 cylinder turbo and now 6 cylinder and 8 now also cylinder all turbo, again this is a very strong statements as if your judgment is definitive. I’m just saying this is a very strong statement within a large forum like this.

In your final paragraph you say you have opted for a well know tuner but only time will tell as to whether you get good "service" I hope you do but some tuners are just after the money and know very little about real tuning or developing them selves, they just want the cash not the phone calls or the banter. I hope your current choice is not money orientated and not less knowledgeable than the competition. I also hope they are warm and friendly. You’ll know if they are!

For a new boy to the Audi tuning you have made some very strong and well-written points. My only worries are that they would be taken up on when you your self are less experienced. I will not be following your advice and I have a good idea what I want.

Maybe one I would have not questioned your comments.


It’s just that you are as you say new to Audi and by no means are Mrc.
I felt very much preached to but it is simply my personal opinion.


A big welcome to you and we all have much to learn, Friendship on here is great and Ill bet we will be friends in the future. I really liked reading you post I just was rude to jump in and say nothing. I agree.

I am delighted for you with the experiences you have and again a heart felt welcome.
Sorry for my rudeness.

There is no need to dissect what you have said and I did not meant to offend you in doing so.
I am a crap writer close to illiterate, as again in time you will see.
Kind Regards and I hope your car is superbly tuned I have run MTM Code now for 2 and a half years.

Bet you did not know MTM did a rover chip?

G

[SimonS4MTM]

Deffo got boost plots put against MRC map, AMD map and the MTM map and mine ran quite a bit more - especially at red line which was really high. Bye bye K03... which did happen to me

My MTM map runs 1.2 bar

[MarkB]

The boost plot I've got for Leon (and others) shows his peaking at 1.25bar

[coxw]

No sorry did not meant to be rude.

Bet you did not know MTM did a rover chip?

G

You're right I didn't! They only advertised VW derivatives in the brochure I got.

In your final paragraph you say you have opted for a well know tuner but only time will tell as to whether you get good "service". I hope you do but some tuners are just after the money and know very little about real tuning or developing them selves, they just want the cash not the phone calls or the banter. I hope your current choice is not money orientated and not less knowledgeable than the competition. I also hope they are warm and friendly. You’ll know if they are! G

I tend to prefer smaller tuning companies, and was gutted when Geoff and Mike left AmD and moved the operation to Bicester after the take over. Ever since have been looking for a decent (well informed) tuning house to do my car mods.

Like you say, there are tuners out there who just want you in and out, and make you part with your cash (AmD started to get this way post Bicester). QST were quite customer focussed whilst I was in there. They got some wheels out for me to try, took me out in an RS2 which was a car I dreamed to own in my youth, and were generally very amicable. Strangely he did seem a bit obsessive about my opinion of QST, and why I'd come to use them, so whether Kim is starting to get the impression they may be perceived as pricing high.....

In summary I'm always encouraged that there are decent tuning houses out there that I have yet to discover. Means there is more choice, which keeps the market fresh.

Anyway best wishes mate, no harm done.

Cheers

Warren

[MarkB]

No sorry did not meant to be rude.

Bet you did not know MTM did a rover chip?

G

You're right I didn't! They only advertised VW derivatives in the brochure I got.

He was taking the P!SS, again!

[S4TAN]

got to agree with G, how dare that man come onto this independant friendly forum with less than 12,000 posts in 14 minutes saying that he's never heard of MRC. Coxw, we need 3 'hail Doug's' and and a pledge to bear mini-minhea's, should you be required to do so.

I signed up to 246 to listen to the same 10 people telling me how fantastic their MRC remap is, and I'm not prepared to read anything to the contrary. the thought police are gonna get ya.

Man THAT is SO funny - I absolutely p!ssed myself reading this - one of the best sarcastic reponses i've ever read, 10/10 A+, go to the top of the class! Encore!

[saf]

Not being rude to anyone that uses QST.

I been there done that and pricing was a rip off for simple jobs that they did. I didnt know better then. Also I went there underpowered with a problem which wasnt sorted.

I certainly didnt get a friendly treatment. Was drop car off. Go away. Come back later. I had a 6 hour weight, so booked into a hotel for some sleep, only to be woken up by a call stating I had problems with the car. £1700 worth of problems. As I had soem of the cash I got the most important bits done. £1000 worth. Forced to buy their diverter valves at a £100 quid each, and then told that aux water pump needed doing at £289 , also wiper mechanism needed to be done, costing £180 as wipers were not functioning properly. Also needed to do a servicing at £320. I wont bother even listing the other prices as it makes me very angry.

To that effect I drove away underpowered still and had paid nearly £1000.

I drove a few other S4's off autotrader and still noticed that I was way undefrpowered. Someone said to disconnect MAF and all was well. Im not entirely sure why they didnt pick up on that. They should have because they do know their stuff according to most people and from what ive seen them produce. (project wise). I think they just took the opportunity to rip me off.

anyway. Never going there again.

I dont normally slate people. But I know what service I got, and the prices I paid. I got a reciept to prove it to anyone that wishes to see those prices. Theyre completely extortionate.


For £1000 MRC would have given me a lot more value and actually fixed my car.

Be careful and know oyur stuff before you go into a tuner.

[ZeroK66]

The boost plot I've got for Leon (and others) shows his peaking at 1.25bar

D'oh... well I will shut up then, well my point that it ran quite a bit more boost than the MRC map still stands true. Wish I had logs from lower RPM to compare to MRC to see if that was the cause of the "lagginess".