I've broke my car :(

Post by **DavidT** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:51 pm

Sorry to hear about your problems, not a good way to end up needing turbo's

The MTM car had standard RS4 intercoolers and 602 ps I think ?

Whiskey & grizz have been selling turbos matching the two options you are considering. Not sure if they still have them ?

What a car it will be when upgaded with either though. I shall not be attending a VMAX with you

Post by **viperbl** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:08 pm

I know, and the car was running so sweet as well ... had just show a couple of bikes what the RS4 badge was all about 1 hour before

Yes, I remember that article about the 602 MTM Car! (Had it booked market from QST's website, but does not work anymore

) Did it have stock IC's? what other upgrades had he done? but I suspect it might be possible to go there with the Hybrids, but not for a daily drive??

Spoke to Jacob, he can get my turbo's sorted with RS6 internals/ported/polished/clearnced for around £1k, which seems a very good price ... tempted ... but also tempted with Whiskys turbos ...

Decisions!!

Post by **ZeroK66** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:40 pm

Surely hybrids are going to cost more than straight RS6 turbos? That said though the RS6 turbos require a different flange on the downpipes, so you would have to change these to a custom set. Which would help get the power out the setup, but cost a bit

Post by **viperbl** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:05 pm

ZeroK66 wrote:Surely hybrids are going to cost more than straight RS6 turbos? That said though the RS6 turbos require a different flange on the downpipes, so you would have to change these to a custom set. Which would help get the power out the setup, but cost a bit

Well, RS6 turbos are 3k ish, plus need custom manifold, another £1300. Then as you said I need to change the DP or flange ... plus I had factored into the price MRC's FMIC which I have not factored into the 520 bhp 3.5k hybrid setup (but does include new injectors and fuel pump)

I wud love to just go for the full RS6 setup ... its the best way forward ... but, lets just say I have spent my fair share on this car!!! and the credit cards are starting to bend with the weight

Post by **MarkB** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:54 am

So what's the verdict on your car then Rich?

Also, I'm told by a member on here you don't need custom manifolds for RS6 turbos. I thought you did?

Post by **viperbl** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:02 am

MarkB wrote:So what's the verdict on your car then Rich?

Also, I'm told by a member on here you don't need custom manifolds for RS6 turbos. I thought you did?

Well … The garage I am using are good at their job, but very busy at the moment, BUT, saw the car yesterday, on the ramp and engine was about to be dropped, so, should have the turbos in my hand later today…

My thoughts where to send the turbos off to America to have them reconditioned and RS6 compressors put on, so, KO4/RS6 Hybrids, not actually RS6 turbo’s, because you do need new manifolds for the true RS6 turbos, and coupled with the cost of two new RS6 turbo as opposed to getting my “upgraded” was just not going to happen 

On talking with MRC, I should be looking around 540 bhp with my setup, their FMIC and these hybrids.

I have to say I am a little interested in this other kit, I think, I might be looking as little as 2k difference, but that would probably grow to a lot more, so maybe just best to stick with getting my turbo’s upgraded …

Plus I have this hill climb event coming up at the end of April over here and REALLY want my car ready for that ....

Thoughts anyone???

Post by **ZeroK66** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:16 pm

Sure MRC have said this to you, but spend the money and get tubular manifolds. Mihnea really pushed me to do this and I am glad I did! You will only regret not doing it later... then motor comes out again etc etc - d'oh!

Post by **viperbl** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:27 pm

ZeroK66 wrote:Sure MRC have said this to you, but spend the money and get tubular manifolds. Mihnea really pushed me to do this and I am glad I did! You will only regret not doing it later... then motor comes out again etc etc - d'oh!

I hear you ... problem is cost to be honest(isn't it always!

), if I go down the RS6 route I basicly need to find another 4.5k, it doubles the cost. And considering this was not planned that is a problem.

I think its going to be, send turbo's off and get them done, at the end of the day I will also get new injectors, fuel pump, FMIC which can all be used at a later stage if I got for the RS6 setup, but as you say, it will cost another engine pull ...

Post by **ZeroK66** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:46 pm

Does the tubular manifold not support RS6 turbos then? I would be upset if this was the case? Means if I ever went down the RS6 turbo route I would have to flog my manifolds

I am thinking tubular manifolds on your car with your hybrid setup and ported hot sides - so you can get the most out of the K04 hotside... leave the FMIC and such like till a later date... get the manifolds on rather than the FMIC. FMIC can be done at any time...

Post by **MarkB** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:49 pm

ZeroK66 wrote:get the manifolds on rather than the FMIC. FMIC can be done at any time...

I tend to agree with that. If you are going RS6 on the inlet side, balance it with better flowing exit side

Post by **viperbl** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:54 pm

ZeroK66 wrote:Does the tubular manifold not support RS6 turbos then? I would be upset if this was the case? Means if I ever went down the RS6 turbo route I would have to flog my manifolds

I am thinking tubular manifolds on your car with your hybrid setup and ported hot sides - so you can get the most out of the K04 hotside... leave the FMIC and such like till a later date... get the manifolds on rather than the FMIC. FMIC can be done at any time...

The tubular manifold is needed for the RS6 setup, so your good to go with it.

Now, thats a very interesting idea, I may have to call MRC and get their thoughts on this.

Its, what 850 for their FMIC and 1300 for the manifolds, but I will need to pay for 3" downpipes and flanges to fit my milltek? How did they get on doing yours? what exhaust have you got?

Post by **viperbl** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:00 pm

Spoke to Doug, on my setup I can just get away with the manifolds, they will fit on my current setup without any extra mods.

So with these manifolds do I get better flow?, so, kinda of like when I took my cats off, and therefore run more advance, and get more power???

Post by **viperbl** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:11 pm

**UPDATE**
Got the turbo's out, casing is fine, mechanic says some blades are broken!? I will get some pics later, but at least they can be sent to off to be reconditioned if the casing is intact...

Post by **MarkB** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:02 pm

How can the tubular manifolds be OK for RS4 K04 or RS6 K04 but the RS6 K04 won't fit the factory RS4 manifold?

Post by **viperbl** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:12 pm

MarkB wrote:How can the tubular manifolds be OK for RS4 K04 or RS6 K04 but the RS6 K04 won't fit the factory RS4 manifold?

The KO4/RS6 Hybrids will fit the factory RS4 Manifold.

The tubular manifold is straight bolt on and will fit KO4 or KO4/RS6 Hyrbids.

The tubular manifold needs the end modified to fit the straight RS6 turbos

This is my understanding, so, with my Hybrids the manifold is an easy fit.

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