S4 Upgrading

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Re: S4 Upgrading

Post by johneroberts » Mon Mar 31, 2003 8:29 am

Joules.. You mention a REVO flash. Who does this in the uk and what sort of cost?

When i get an S4 chipping will be high up the list, and £1k for AMD to do the work is a bit pricey for my liking.

Have you tried www.upsolute.com
They have a few guys in the uk now and are very reasonably priced. Also have a 30 day money back guarantee so if you dont like it take it out.

I dont think these are highly recommended on an S4, anyone had any experience?


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Re: S4 Upgrading

Post by RobK » Mon Mar 31, 2003 10:54 am

I don't think Revo have an S4 program out yet do they?

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Re: S4 Upgrading

Post by Joules » Mon Mar 31, 2003 12:14 pm

REVO S4 map release date is supposed to be April 1st ??

Don't know if this has changed??

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Re: S4 Upgrading

Post by wazza » Tue Apr 01, 2003 12:45 am

They havent't got the 551D chip yet [img]images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] but they want mine to test [img]images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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Re: S4 Upgrading

Post by Joules » Tue Apr 01, 2003 8:22 am

Hi Paul,

Do you mean they want your car as a test model or do you have the map by way of other means??

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Re: S4 Upgrading

Post by wazza » Tue Apr 01, 2003 9:51 pm

Mitch has asked me on several occasions to use it as a test model. Waiting for the new turbos before deciding wether to or not.
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Re: S4 Upgrading

Post by Golich » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:40 pm

Jeff,

This sounds very interesting. All we need is a test pilot to go for and give us all a full report. [img]images/graemlins/clap.gif[/img]

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Re: S4 Upgrading

Post by DavidT » Fri Apr 25, 2003 10:31 pm

OK further corrections [img]images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

Tune/power/torque/cost(+VAT)

Standard/265/295/£0
Remap/315/389/£850
Remap + catback/320/400/1265
remap + full Miltek exhaust inc cats/343/430/£2815
RS4 turbo upgrade + full Miltek exhaust inc cats/400/420/£4400



Carlos how have you found the Porsche brakes and H&R suspension ?

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Re: S4 Upgrading

Post by Carlos » Fri May 09, 2003 3:31 pm

..Wont ever wanna drive a car without em again!

WOW - what a difference! I feel like I've got a new car!

Minor little prob at the beginning: I had it lowered just a little too much to make it over the bump in my driveway [img]images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] so I had to have it raised a tad.

Have to say tho, it now corners like its on rails. Feels eerily connected to the road.. its like "erm.. shouldn't I have understeered by now?" but the bugger wont! Ride quality is not really much difference to before, which is also good news. [img]images/graemlins/thumbs.gif[/img]

As for the brakes.. they work. Always. [img]images/graemlins/biggrin3.gif[/img]

Dont need to say any more really.


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Re: S4 Upgrading

Post by Dippy » Fri May 09, 2003 4:14 pm

Hi Carl,

I bet you wished you'd had it done ages ago!
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Re: S4 Upgrading

Post by DavidT » Wed Jun 04, 2003 12:21 am

Thank you again for posting details up folks.


I wanted to get on with some mods but thought I would wait until after the Castle Combe track day, my first with the S4.

Views did not change that much really:

Brakes

Lack feel and wholly inadequate for track use, plus my front discs and pads needed to be replaced anyway.

Suspension

Pretty good overall but too soft. Reasonably balanced front/rear grip with smooth driving but fast turn-in or ambitious throttle use provoke too much understeer. There is also a general ‘disconnected’ feeling. All that said, I think it is a very good setup for road use.

Engine

No complaints, driveable in any gear and the car is not slow. Any mods will wait until warranty expires.


I thoroughly enjoyed CC, but because I planned to do more trackdays, it was time for some upgrades:

Porsche 993TT brakes – went for these because I’ve heard good things about them, lots of people have them and anyway, whoever complained about Porsche brakes ? Also OEM pads can be had for £ 80 and the discs for £ 110 each, so servicing them will be cheaper than some (if not all) of the alternative brake upgrades for the S4

H&R Coilover suspension – Again, they are a known quantity and highly regarded and I particularly liked the ability to adjust height if I do not get it right first time. The car needs to be useable day to day.

AWE Drivetrain stabiliser – Said to make the transmission feel more solid and a relatively cheap mod, so I will have one of those as well.

Tanoga short shifter already fitted


The work was done by AmD and I have no hesitation in recommending them because they provided good advice beforehand, completed the job early and have been very helpful answering questions since.


In terms of driving differences, I didn’t recognise the car on the way home. Now it’s run in, I would say everything is different:

Steering - lighter, more precise and weights up nicely in the corners (although I suspect there was something wrong with the alignment beforehand)

Throttle response – far less slop in the drivetrain and no ‘squat’ in hard acceleration

Brakes – better feel and more progress with immense power

Gear change - shift is lighter and faster than with tanoga alone.


I thought I would wait until I had done a trackday before commenting on handling, so after Aintree on Saturday, here goes:

Much more ‘connected’ feel in the steering, as cornering loads increase I can feel it through the wheel and the loss of grip from the front or rear is obvious when it happens.

Basic understeer characteristics now gone, in other words it does not understeer all the time. Although I would not say it handles like a rear wheel drive car because it is fairly neutral. If you turn in too fast there is understeer and if you use too much throttle mid corner it may be oversteer or four wheel drift. Ideal balance for a four wheel drive car I think and much quicker through the bends than with standard suspension. The dive when braking is also pretty much gone.

The ride comfort is little affected, still fairly compliant, the only major difference is major bumps or ridges in the road, which the standard suspension absorbed now get transferred to the occupants. Overall though, minimum effect, which I find amazing.

The brakes are awesome. I took 5 people out on Saturday and on the first lap they said ‘hmm brakes are really good’ on the third lap at full effect, all but one said a word beginning with ‘f’ when I slowed from 130 to 55 mph. They are also quiet and smooth and give no sense of the work they are doing. Fantastic.


If you have read this far you deserve a medal. Still, I hope it’s of interest to anyone thinking of going in a similar direction. I am delighted with it.


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Re: S4 Upgrading

Post by DJG » Wed Jun 04, 2003 1:03 am

Great write-up [img]images/graemlins/thumbs.gif[/img]

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Re: S4 Upgrading

Post by tombs » Wed Jun 04, 2003 10:45 am

Hi Dave,

If you dont mind me asking, how much did all your upgrades cost and what sort of turn around did AMD manage?

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Re: S4 Upgrading

Post by Dippy » Wed Jun 04, 2003 12:49 pm

Great report David - can I have my medal now?

Whenever I read about mods such as the AWE driveline stabiliser or the APR snub mount it makes me wonder what I'm missing. I can't say that I really notice any problem with what you describe as 'slop' or 'squat'. Could you try to describe exactly what the stabiliser fixed in more words?
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