K03 hybrid

[MarkB]

Looking quite good value isn't it.

I have 2 ways of looking at this.

1: Go for the K03/K04 but don't mess with the boost, hope to gain some power from a better turbo

2: Go fot the K03/16 and upgrade fueling, raise boost and get a remap for much more power.

Should still come in at less money than a K04 upgrade.

When saying all this I allready have RS4 intercoolers, downpipes and 3" Milltek so a slight turbo upgrade would work for me

[jeffw]

I think your difficulty will be getting any of the normal suspects to try the in-car method.

[MarkB]

I think your difficulty will be getting any of the normal suspects to try the in-car method.

Not for me, I'm a hands on spanner man and would pull the engine if all else failed...

[MCB]

The reality is, I've not heard of any of the specialists removing turbos this way

Graham neither have I over here that is why I posted this some time ago when I read about it on AW, not sure if this is the AW thread that was posted a few pages back:

http://forums.audiworld.com/s4/msgs/2545429.phtml

If you read through this I think it will convince you that it is technically possible, however for this to work we will need a specialist and as Jeff says one who would be prepared to do this as clearly you need the car on a lift.

Mark, no what you mean and unfortunately this does not look like a DIY unless you are lucky enough to have a lift.

However if your turbo’s should go pop and cash is tight it could be a potentially interesting way forward IMHO.

[GrahamS4]

I'm a fair guy, I'll offer "the usual suspects" my car, I'll pay for the parts and they can trial this method of fitting It's just give give give! I'll even give them a few days to do it!

[jeffw]

The problem will be if something fails/falls off etc etc after the work is done...who is responsible ?

[MarkB]

The problem will be if something fails/falls off etc etc after the work is done...who is responsible ?

That's just the way it is with DIY. You pays your money (or don't on labour) and takes your chances...

[jeffw]

I was actually refering to getting a garage to do it who would normally pull the engine out.

[GrahamS4]

The reality is, I wouldn't request a garage to do something one way, when they normally and recommend they do it another. If I thought I knew better than them, I would do it myself or take it elsewhere. As already said, this is going to be the show stopper I think.

[MarkB]

Ah yes, It will be interesting to hear what MRC say if S4TAN asks them...

[JonnyX]

The Polish guy (Keyser I think) did this by lifting the car off the engine. He disconnected the suspension top mounts
and subframe (and some other stuff obviously ) and lifted the shell leaving the engine on the floor. Sounds like the
best way to do it if you ask me. Now, if you can charge 20 hours labour for an engine pull (which in conversation with
poeple who have done this, rarely takes this long) and do it in relative comfort why are you going to agree to make
life more difficult for yourself AND make less profit?.

As with others on this thread, it's the labour costs that really bite. I actually have most of the parts for this conversion
now (My set of K04s is with Jacob right now). Just need a few more bits and bobs. I will then try and start haggling for
a price with someone to do this.

[MarkB]

What are you having done to your K04's?

[MCB]

Jonny

The Polish guy (Keyser I think) did this by lifting the car off the engine. He disconnected the suspension top mounts and subframe (and some other stuff obviously Wink) and lifted the shell leaving the engine on the floor. Sounds like the best way to do it if you ask me.

A bit of lateral thinking going on there, possible DIY I wonder... Did you get this info from his site, wondering if he has any photos?

Now, if you can charge 20 hours labour for an engine pull (which in conversation with people who have done this, rarely takes this long) and do it in relative comfort why are you going to agree to make life more difficult for yourself AND make less profit?.

Good point and as you say it will definitely be more difficult(!), I guess time will tell...

As with others on this thread, it's the labour costs that really bite. I actually have most of the parts for this conversion now (My set of K04s is with Jacob right now). Just need a few more bits and bobs. I will then try and start haggling for a price with someone to do this.

I know you are not referring to this, but as a point of reference I have only heard about the engine in swap being possible with KO3's on AW. Presume that is because KO4’s usually include more parts/fun/expense!

[okkim]

I have done many turbo and manifold repairs by pulling the engine. I think that it doesn't make sense to try to remove turbos in other way.

The engine pull takes about 4 hours if there are no problems. And I have the car on jackstands. Then you can be more sure that everything is installed correctly and don't have to do it again if something is leaking. I can also imagine how "fun" it is to try to fit the tools and hands in the engine bay and get a lot's of cuts and bruises.

[MarkB]

I'm thinking it's got to be worth taking the engine out if doing such major work as a turbo swap. Give the chance to check over other things whilst in there...