Ceramic Upgrade....

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Re: Ceramic Upgrade....

Post by Nudenut » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:02 pm

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I hear what you are saying DK about the RS6 and its steels but didn't Nigel warp his £22k set of Mov'it ceramics around the Ring???? Maybe you weren't trying hard enough LOL
Only just seen this thread, dear dear.

Race teams change disks and pads out routinely... been to Audi customer racing and discussed this with the team that build the R8 LMS Ultra and TTRS ADAC endurance cars, they run steel discs (and pads that are at least double thickness of std application) and are quick release as they change them DURING races.

I have driven the C6 and R8 with steel and CCB's back to back on road and track... the C6 at 2t+ unfortunately is just too damn heavy for continued aggressive breaking on ANY system, I have superheated (ruined) a brand new set of steels in one day at VMax and didn't do that many runs. I have seen two other people have OEM CCB's almost on fire after a 15min track session and have also tried MOVIT CCB's that suffered the same fate (overheating), albeit 5 up with luggage round the 'Ring is a gruelling as you can throw at any car I'm sure.

And no Olly you can't really warp floating discs, vibration is generally just uneven pad transfer or incorrect bedding in from new.

To be fair to MOVIT they offered to upgrade my discs to some with higher temp coating... (CCB's can be tailored to pretty much any application) but by that time I decided to change the car rather than try to make it something it was never designed to be.... £22k er no, comparable with OEM price, I went with them in the notion I could take them onto the next car but didn't quite happen that way sadly as I went R8 and the R8 OEM CCB's are awesome.

The R8 steels are stunning, will shock every driver on first occasion in a lightweight car, however I've seen Audi test drivers have these burning up after continued Px rides at Silverstone... a bit embarrassing for Audi but again ALL systems have a designed application and limits accordingly. The R8 CCB's are mind blowingly good, straight from cold they will put you through the screen but the best compliment I can give them is I can track the car until I get tired and have to come in (40min), I don't have to ever think about brakes but no doubt they also have a limit... just not found it yet.
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Re: Ceramic Upgrade....

Post by Nudenut » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:05 pm

Nudenut wrote:
ollys wrote:
I hear what you are saying DK about the RS6 and its steels but didn't Nigel warp his £22k set of Mov'it ceramics around the Ring???? Maybe you weren't trying hard enough LOL
Only just seen this thread, dear dear.

Race teams change disks and pads out routinely... been to Audi customer racing and discussed this with the team that build the R8 LMS Ultra and TTRS ADAC endurance cars, they run steel discs (and pads that are at least double thickness of std application) and are quick release as they change them DURING races.

I have driven the C6 and R8 with steel and CCB's back to back on road and track... the C6 at 2t+ unfortunately is just too damn heavy for continued aggressive breaking on ANY system, I have superheated (ruined) a brand new set of steels in one day at VMax and didn't do that many runs. I have seen two other people have OEM CCB's almost on fire after a 15min track session and have also tried MOVIT CCB's that suffered the same fate (overheating), albeit 5 up with luggage round the 'Ring is a gruelling as you can throw at any car I'm sure.

And no Olly you can't really warp floating discs, vibration is generally just uneven pad transfer or incorrect bedding in from new.

To be fair to MOVIT they offered to upgrade my discs to some with higher temp coating... (CCB's can be tailored to pretty much any application) but by that time I decided to change the car rather than try to make it something it was never designed to be.... £22k er no, comparable with OEM price, I went with them in the notion I could take them onto the next car but didn't quite happen that way sadly as I went R8 and the R8 OEM CCB's are awesome.

The R8 steels are stunning, will shock every driver on first occasion in a lightweight car, however I've seen Audi test drivers have these burning up after continued Px rides at Silverstone... a bit embarrassing for Audi but again ALL systems have a designed application and limits accordingly. The R8 CCB's are mind blowingly good, straight from cold they will put you through the screen but the best compliment I can give them is I can track the car until I get tired and have to come in (40min), I don't have to ever think about brakes but no doubt they also have a limit... just not found it yet.

CCB's are all about endurance, at a cost, a 24hr race would still require a pad change so may as well be a steel system and manage the fade
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Re: Ceramic Upgrade....

Post by ollys » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:43 am

Sorry Nige. Just quoting what someone told me verbatim about your movits - had no reason to doubt it....

Re ceramics and road car applications, again just quoting what I was told by AP's F1 guy, as I sat there chatting to him in the Lotus F1 garage in Barcelona last year, as we watched the race together,sat behind 4 Renault technicians watching live engine telemetry for Kimi and Grosjean....... Again I deferred to his greater knowledge, as hes been 15 years in f1 with AP, so no reason to doubt him.......

Glad you put the record straight...

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Re: Ceramic Upgrade....

Post by Nudenut » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:48 am

ollys wrote:Sorry Nige. Just quoting what someone told me verbatim about your movits - had no reason to doubt it....

Re ceramics and road car applications, again just quoting what I was told by AP's F1 guy, as I sat there chatting to him in the Lotus F1 garage in Barcelona last year, as we watched the race together,sat behind 4 Renault technicians watching live engine telemetry for Kimi and Grosjean....... Again I deferred to his greater knowledge, as hes been 15 years in f1 with AP, so no reason to doubt him.......

Glad you put the record straight...
Sorry Olly, wasn't really aimed at you as it may have read, just my 2c's worth....

Obviously what AP guy was telling you is right, just reaffirming these teams change CCarbons out frequently at huge cost, we all want the best of both worlds, race teams only need worry about one.
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Re: Ceramic Upgrade....

Post by catfood12 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:22 pm

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Die neuen Keramiken sind hier aus dem Vaterland! :rocker:

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Re: Ceramic Upgrade....

Post by grizz » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:12 pm

Cool , get some photos up .

what did you pay for them ..
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Re: Ceramic Upgrade....

Post by catfood12 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:50 pm

Toot toot princess.....
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Re: Ceramic Upgrade....

Post by gdavison » Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:15 pm

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Re: Ceramic Upgrade....

Post by catfood12 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:23 pm

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Oh ! Bless you sir !....

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Re: Ceramic Upgrade....

Post by andy » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:11 pm

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Re: Ceramic Upgrade....

Post by Golfather » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:17 pm

For anyone doing this upgrade, PM me for the necessary software coding updates you will need for your modules.

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Re: Ceramic Upgrade....

Post by M1R XE » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:27 am

Catfood how much did the brakes cost you ?

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Re: Ceramic Upgrade....

Post by catfood12 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:42 pm

M1R XE wrote:Catfood how much did the brakes cost you ?
Discs from Hoffman, £2366.70.
Calipers, pads & backplates, from TPS, £2593.69
Pad retaining pin kit (was supposed to be with calipers, but Ekta is wrong apparently) £133.28

Goodness. £5093.67.

Just ordered a new Cayenne Diesel S. Ticked the option for Ceramics. £5463 and they're smaller then the RS6 ones.

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Re: Ceramic Upgrade....

Post by doodlebug » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:06 pm

Diesel? Diesel did I hear? Terrible.

Diesel with ceramics? Surely not.

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Re: Ceramic Upgrade....

Post by RS6chris! » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:11 pm

Is This "just" the fronts?
Panamera Turbo S e hybrid (again)
RS6 C8 carbon black(merlin)
Panamera Turbo S e hybrid
RS6 C8 launch edition
R8 V10 plus
C7 RS6 PE dynamic pack plus
C7 RS6
Porsche Panamera Turbo
C6 RS6 AVANT
RS4 B7
Golf R32 mk 5
BMW M3 E46
Golf R32 mk 5
Golf GTI mk 5
VW Passat 130d 4 motion
VW bora 150pd
Ford Mondeo Ghia X V6
Ford Focus zetec
Rover 214!!

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