Is this worth a look?

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Re: Is this worth a look?

Post by givemeRS4 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:09 pm

sar wrote:
kmpowell wrote:
A car's value is based on CAP/industry book values, nothing more, nothing less.
LOL, you think?.
a car is worth what someone will pay for it, nothing more nothing less.
Spot on mate. I would have thought that for most people £1-3k is neither here nor there when it comes to buying a car that ticks the boxes and is in the right condition for the money.

Only takes 5 minutes on these forums to see there is a fairly large variation in price between cars of similar age/mileage/condition. You can spend months looking, when the right one comes along you might just have to take it.

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Re: Is this worth a look?

Post by linkman72 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:49 am

Industry book values are absolutely meaningless on any performance car. They work on standard run of the mill models and thats why if you are unlucky enough to write your car off you will get a pathetic offer from your insurers. I remember parkers stating a Lotus Carlton at 10 years old was worth 7k :shock: :shock: , or how about an escort cosworth for 6k ?,or even an 8 year old nissan skyline r34 for 10k ( when they were commanding 20-25k )

dont bother with any retail/dealer price lists on these types of cars because they spout SH#TE

Supply and Demand controls the values of these cars, nothing more nothing less

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Re: Is this worth a look?

Post by kmpowell » Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:30 am

F@tBoyF@t wrote:I was surprised that you didn't go for KEV_NIX's Black Cherry Avant which seemed to tick all the boxes?
That's a perfect case in point. The car did tick all the boxes, but it was just too expensive. Trade value of that car was circa £17k, so a private sale price should see it priced at circa £20k. KEV_NIX had it priced at £23k, it didn't sell, yet he openly admits to being offered £20k for it (which he turned down). He instead took the trade price for it and it's now up at the Indi for the same price he originally wanted.

I know it's easy for me to say this, but as I said in my earlier post, there are 26 RS4 Avants that have been on PH for coming up to 2 months, which have not sold due to their price. Given I have only seen a maximum of 29 at any one time, it's always the well priced cars that shift. The last 'good one' I just missed out on was a 56 Sprint Blue Avant with 63k on the clock. At an Indi dealer priced up at £19,995. Now, put that price into perspective when you think what the indi must have paid for it in the first place, and it makes you realise spending £23k on one is barking mad.

Personally, I'm not prepared to get myself into £5k+ of instant negative equity, purely because a seller refuses to price their car appropriately to market values. I'd rather wait, because these cars are not that rare and sooner or later one will come along at the correctly priced max £20k tipping point.

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Re: Is this worth a look?

Post by P_G » Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:12 am

I'm sorry kmpowell but I have read your assertions on here whilst I was selling my car and now that it is sold and I believe you are also well wide of the mark. Book values mean sod all and does not factor in anything about the car, it is a yardstick. Example, mine book value was £12k, £10k if in poor condition; the reason for this and why dealers wanted to take it in for that is that they believe for such a car there has to be omewhere between £6k and 9k worth of margin in it because replacement parts and repairs on it are so expensive. Dealers were quoting me book without even having seen it which if they did would have know it needed nothing doing to it. But then they would have still wanted the increased margin anyway. That and their managers will not take on risk.

When I did find a dealer who looked at it they offerrd over excellent condition value because they could see they could shift it on, either themselves or through auction.

The point someone made that a car is only worth what someone wants to pay for it is true. As for the ones on PH and Autorader, the majority are poorly described, have glaring errors in the spec and techncial data and Bam's favourite, are 'fully loaded' when they re not. Also writing an ad where carbon build up and other worry factors are included will put the uninitiated off. Admitedly there are an increasing number that are well described but then factor in time of year and other economical factors and there are a myriad of reasons they don't sell and pirce is just one. I had 6 serious enquiries in the end on mine from my PH advert after sifting through the tyre kickers.

You have your own strategy and I hope that pays off for you. However it has to be said with big petrol engined cars there is still uncertainty and all that one caan be certain about is that when you do find a car with the spec one wnats at a price one is prepared to pay, then that is when you'll get into RS4 ownership. What everyone's parameters for doing that are is their agenda much like yours.
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Re: Is this worth a look?

Post by 54Kab » Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:28 am

^^^^

Book prices mean nothing when talking about the best cars available. And 99.9% of car dealers are just salesmen. The buy/sell figures are the only consideration. They may as well be dealing in ________ (TV's, Apples, knickers... )

If you're looking to buy a top condition car you need to look at quite a few first, then compare the excellent ones against each other, price-wise. If you can't afford the price they're asking, then you may need to compromise.

If you're looking for the best, then TIME / EFFORT pays off ...

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Re: Is this worth a look?

Post by jasonpaul » Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:05 pm

Well Kmpowell has some nice comments!!!!! well he is well aware, I have my car up for sale, like I said to him last i will not give the car away as it is Mint with low miles, as I can afford to sit on it, his car prices are very harsh,
You do find the some of the cheaper rs4 maybe Cat D, just Hpi them before you buy.

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Re: Is this worth a look?

Post by kmpowell » Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:32 pm

jasonpaul wrote:Well Kmpowell has some nice comments!!!!!
I'm not being aggressive?!? I'm just passing my view on how [as a person in the market for a 56/07 Avant] I've seen the current market change and move. If people choose to disagree with me, then I have no problem with that. But my mind won't be changed.
jasonpaul wrote:i will not give the car away as it is Mint with low miles, as I can afford to sit on it, his car prices are very harsh,
Your 'harsh' is unfortunately how I see the reality. I genuinely can't see you getting the £25k you want for your car, not unless somebody desperately wants Imola Yellow. With that in mind I think you will be 'sat on it' for a long time unless you are willing to drop the price. A genuine question for you, what in your eyes makes your car worth £6k more than this other private sale example? Same year, same options, same FASH. The only price driven difference to yours isthe silver leather and 20k more miles (but it's still a low mileage example).

http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/clas ... her/768828

To put that price into context, he first advertised the car at £23k, then dropped it to £22k, dropped to £20.5k, and has this week dropped it to £19k, so just imagine what he's been offered by the trade for it(!). I've checked the car out and it's 100% genuine and needs no work doing. If it didn't have the silver leather I would have it.
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Re: Is this worth a look?

Post by P_G » Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:34 pm

From experience silver leather is about as subjective as Imola yellow if not moreso. Just MO of course.

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Re: Is this worth a look?

Post by spikeyboy101 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:57 pm

That interrior will kill the value of that car - not to add the fact as he keeps dropping the price he must be desperate to sell it - you then start to question "WHY" and how low will he go.

Due to the nature of these cars options can be a big selling point - get them wrong and the number of people that will be insterested drops like a stone - with that so does the price.

Having said that if you are willing to compromise on things then you can pick up a bargain, just dont expect to sell it for top dollar when you come to depart with it.

The question could also be asked that if you think your price point is correct why havent you found your car yet ?
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Re: Is this worth a look?

Post by pDkALO » Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:13 pm

If I was in the market to buy and that car is as good as people are saying, apart from a (subjective) seat colour, I'd snap it up and take it to a trimmer to put a new layer of cow in it and re-web the seat belts. A week and a grand later I'd have a car exactly how I wanted it...
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Re: Is this worth a look?

Post by andre3k » Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:22 pm

spikeyboy101 wrote:The question could also be asked that if you think your price point is correct why havent you found your car yet ?
Precisely :thumbs:

And for your info kmpowell, JasonPaul has been trying to sell his car for all of what two weeks??? & you're declaring his asking price is off???, but yet you've been on these boards for how long without buying??? What conclusion can we draw from that? Seriously, if you're faffing when a bargain like the kev_nix avant is in plain view you won't get anywhere.

Matter of fact, bet you 10 bucks you'll be on here in 4 months time still without an RS4.
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Re: Is this worth a look?

Post by pDkALO » Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:31 pm

DALO wrote:If I was in the market to buy and that car is as good as people are saying, apart from a (subjective) seat colour, I'd snap it up and take it to a trimmer to put a new layer of cow in it and re-web the seat belts. A week and a grand later I'd have a car exactly how I wanted it...
Changed my mind already! - if I was in the market right now I'd be haggling with JasonPaul - his is a lovely looking car....
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Re: Is this worth a look?

Post by kmpowell » Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:51 pm

spikeyboy101 wrote:The question could also be asked that if you think your price point is correct why havent you found your car yet ?
The answer's simple - the right colour, mileage and spec combination hasn't yet hit the market. The sprint blue car I mentioned earlier in this thread came onto the market on a Thursday but was sold next day before I could get up to see it on the Saturday, which proves that a sensibly priced car will sell. Perhaps it will take me a few months to find the right one, but I'm not in a hurry as the Baby won't be here for a long time yet.
DALO wrote:if I was in the market right now I'd be haggling with JasonPaul - his is a lovely looking car....
I agree, gorgeous car, and there's no denying it's lovely (even though there's no way in hell my Mrs will let us have a yellow car!). But he's made his position perfectly clear on here, he thinks it's a £25k car, so won't haggle.
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Re: Is this worth a look?

Post by Audi Pardner » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:59 am

Well, I seem to have kicked off a good debate here! Thanks for your varied views guys. I'm going to look at the overpriced/about-right-priced/reasonably-priced car that I mentioned at the top of this post so we'll have to see. I'll let you know how I get on.
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Re: Is this worth a look?

Post by spikeyboy101 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:09 am

I bet the colour / options your after are what everyone ideally wants as well - hence I'd a car does hit the market that is priced to sell you have to be quick.

I'm willing to bet £100 your still looking in 4 months :)

Who was the other guy who kept looking and saying cars where over priced - wasn't he still looking is year later ? Did he ever find one ?

Audi Pardner - as someone has already mentioned the right price is what you are prepared to pay, I would say that car looks about right, but always worth seeing if you can haggle a bit
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