White M3 at the docks .... what you think???

[I-want-an-RS]

The M3 is definetly a vastly better handling car then the S4, everybody concurs and M3 is faster on track. Sorry, in the dry their is no comparison. In fact I prefer the M3 to the RS4, let alone S4.

You'll get on well here then

I didn't find the M3 quicker, then maybe I'm suited to quattro drive more

[RussianM3_dude]

The fact that this table shows the RS4 being faster than the R8 shows it can't be relied upon. Same engine, in the middle of the car not overhanging the front wheels and less weight and the R8 is slower? Also the CSL can't be 32 secs quicker than the standard E46... can it?

The CSL Cup tires alone are probably worth 15 seconds if not more. Then you have the beefed up brakes. The rest has minimal impact.

[RussianM3_dude]

The M3 is definetly a vastly better handling car then the S4, everybody concurs and M3 is faster on track. Sorry, in the dry their is no comparison. In fact I prefer the M3 to the RS4, let alone S4.

You'll get on well here then

I didn't find the M3 quicker, then maybe I'm suited to quattro drive more

Just personal preference, I hate Quattro and all the related systems. I've been to the track with the M3 and it was absolutely great. Traction was NEVER an issue. Quattro is only really an advantage in the wet. However a RWD car will still be faster in the wet IF! The driver is experienced with the road and the AWD car is front heavy, like all Audis. There was a test of a S4 vs M3 on a wet road and the M3 was faster. Also the Evo test that pitted the RS4 vs M3 vs C55 also stated that the M3 was more confidence inspiring on the damp road due to giving more confidence about the front.

I actually don't like to go fast in the RS4 in the wet, since it's so nose heavy I am afraid of epic understeer as the RS4 has bad steering feedback and I can't feel how much grip I have in the front, I have reason to be worried too, I live close to mountain roads and I have driven fast in the dry and wasn't convinced on RS4 handling.

Another big RS4 handling issue is the bad brake balance under heavy breaking. Even in a straight line the car gets very skittish, not very confidence inspiring. Also, I almsot had an accident, where I was following an Auto School car in the corner (roundabout) and it suddenly just stopped in the middle of the turn. I hit the brakes, not TOO hard, medium, and almost spun... At 50KMs!!!! Simply unacceptable. BMW has a brake force disribution system that prevents that, my 130 could brake untill ABS lit up in a corner and still stay perfectly straight. The Audi, perhaps due to the terrible 60/40 balance and much more powerful brakes in the front then the rear, has a tendency to lighten the rear too much and begin a skid, even at very low speeds. Now obviously on track you will never brake in a turn, but it happens in real life on real roads.

And despite the rear biased Quattro, this is still very much an AWD drive car with all the foibles of AWD.

[s4woody]

well ive had a quattro even though it was only an S4 and now i have an M5 and i use the same roads and although the M5 is heavier than my S4 i can go round the same roundabouts and bends much quicker and smoother..
are you sure the engine on your RS4 is behind the front axle.?? and not above it or slightly infront..
anyway although i have a BM i like the look of the 4 ring cars but fancied a change..and a change is a good as a rest..except there,s no time to rest in an M5...to bust getting it sideways...

[Norrs2]

The M3 is definetly a vastly better handling car then the S4, everybody concurs and M3 is faster on track. Sorry, in the dry their is no comparison. In fact I prefer the M3 to the RS4, let alone S4.

You'll get on well here then

I didn't find the M3 quicker, then maybe I'm suited to quattro drive more

Just personal preference, I hate Quattro and all the related systems. I've been to the track with the M3 and it was absolutely great. Traction was NEVER an issue. Quattro is only really an advantage in the wet. However a RWD car will still be faster in the wet IF! The driver is experienced with the road and the AWD car is front heavy, like all Audis. There was a test of a S4 vs M3 on a wet road and the M3 was faster. Also the Evo test that pitted the RS4 vs M3 vs C55 also stated that the M3 was more confidence inspiring on the damp road due to giving more confidence about the front.

I actually don't like to go fast in the RS4 in the wet, since it's so nose heavy I am afraid of epic understeer as the RS4 has bad steering feedback and I can't feel how much grip I have in the front, I have reason to be worried too, I live close to mountain roads and I have driven fast in the dry and wasn't convinced on RS4 handling.

Another big RS4 handling issue is the bad brake balance under heavy breaking. Even in a straight line the car gets very skittish, not very confidence inspiring. Also, I almsot had an accident, where I was following an Auto School car in the corner (roundabout) and it suddenly just stopped in the middle of the turn. I hit the brakes, not TOO hard, medium, and almost spun... At 50KMs!!!! Simply unacceptable. BMW has a brake force disribution system that prevents that, my 130 could brake untill ABS lit up in a corner and still stay perfectly straight. The Audi, perhaps due to the terrible 60/40 balance and much more powerful brakes in the front then the rear, has a tendency to lighten the rear too much and begin a skid, even at very low speeds. Now obviously on track you will never brake in a turn, but it happens in real life on real roads.

And despite the rear biased Quattro, this is still very much an AWD drive car with all the foibles of AWD.

If you have a B7 RS4, why do you call yourself russian "M3"??? Doesn't make sense to spend so much money on a car with 4WD since you "hate quattro"

I smell

Suggest you go away and get yourself an M3 since they are so superior -

[RussianM3_dude]

That's just my old screen name on other forums, I keep just one. And yes I hate quattro, but the RS4 was so highly reviewed, I thought that I could get over it, and no I don't like the new M3, at least on first impression, but will obviously wait to drive one extensively, least I make the same mistake as with the RS4.