Bye Bye SL55.......Hello CSL

Post by **Nordschleife** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:16 pm

at this level, those Norschleife and Hockenheim times are driven by the tyres. The CSL has stickies so it does really well.
the Gallardo on PZero Rossos did 1 11.8 at Hockenheim, Pirelli Corsas or Michelin Cup tyres will cut a bit off that, making it as fast as the Carrera GT - True not quite! The Carrera GT on Corsas will be faster again.
The right tyres seem to be worth 100 horsepower in lap times! I was going to write 50 hp but its not enough.

Post by **Scotty** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 9:26 pm

That's brilliant because now I can blame my times at the 'ring on the tyres I was using!

Post by **Nikolaos** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 9:44 am

Sorry Conti, I don´t have the RS4 test. Btw, why did they stop this Sport Auto tv program on DSF? Eventhough I didn´t understand a word, it was nice to watch.

Nordschleife is right about the tyres but only partialy. Most people think that the Corsa tyres gives you a huge difference in grip. Nop! that´s not right! I have my self 3 sets of wheels and tyres for my RS4 sedan. 2 Corsas and 1 Rosso. I go to the track quite often and each time I change wheels/tyres. I can say that the Corsa tyres are better but not that much as everyone thinks.

Here is an example:
The standard GT3 makes in Hockenheim 1.13,2 min and the GT3 RS makes 1.11,8 min, which means 1,4 sec faster.
Those 1,4 sec are brought by 50kgs lighter version, different suspension, track setup of the suspension (don´t listen what Posche says that GT3 RS is also for everyday use, I have driven the car), stronger engine and finally the Corsa tyres. So everyone can calculate approximately how much benefit those Corsa tyres bring. Maybe 0,3 -0,4 sec, or Am I wrong?

I have heard that the Michelin cup tyres has better grip than the Corsas. But again how much better will it be in sec?
Also you can note that sports cars, which don´t have those Corsa and Cup tyres like Zonda, Carrera GT, Gallardo etc, have much wider tyres than the Stradale, CSL and GT3 RS, which use those grippy tyres and in the final they have more grip from tyres.

Nordschleife, note that the CSL is THE SPORTS CAR! And so is the GT3 RS.

Nikolaos

Post by **Riz_RS4** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 9:51 am

Audi RS4 quattro

Hockenheim
Round time 1.18,2 min

Speed G-Force
1. Nordkurve 110 Km/h (0,9g)
2. End of Querspange 76 Km/h (0,8g)
3. Sachskurve 78 Km/h (0,75g)
4. Süd/-Opelkurve 95 Km/h (0,8g)
5. Goal Straight Line 186 Km/h

Max. Delay in
(6. Ameisenkurve) 11,1 ms/2

Nuerburgring
Round time 8.25 min

Speed G-Force
1. Schwedenkreuz 227 Km/h
2. Aremberg 90 Km/h (0,7g)
3. Fuchsroehre 203 Km/h
4. Metzgesfeld 175 Km/h
5. Bergwerk 101 Km/h (0,9g)
6. Kesselchen 207 Km/h
7. Klostertal 1 160 Km/h (0,85g)
8. Klostertal 2 83 Km/h (0,9g)
9. Pflanzgarten 176 Km/h
10. Galgenkopf 136 Km/h (1,15g)
11. Doettinger Hoehe 251 Km/h

Riz

Post by **Conti** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 11:28 am

I think they stopped Sport Auto TV because of money problems.
Okay, here are the results of the Sport Auto test:
Porsche 911 GT3,´on Michelin Pilot Sport (N2):

Hockenheim:
´Round time: 1.13.2 min

Nordkurve: 128 km/h (1.15g)
Querspange: 172 km/h (1.25g)!!!!
Exit Querspange: 86 (1.15g)
Entry Motodrom: 126 km/h (1.15g)
Sachskurve: 86 km/h (1.25g)
Senke: 105 km/h (1.05g)
Südkurve: 110 km/h (1.15g)
Goal straight line: 203 km/h

Nordschleife:
Lap time: 7.54 min

Hatzenbachbogen 148 km/h
Flugplatz: 164 km/h
Schwedenkreuz: 250 km/h
Aremberg: 100 km/h
Fuchsröhre: 232 km/h
Metzgersfeld: 157 km/h
Ex-Mühle: 107 km/h
Bergwerk: 96 km/h
Kesselchen: 219 km/h
Klostertal 1: 90 km/h
Klostertal 2: 164 km/h
Hohe Acht: 110 km/h
Brünnchen: 107 km/h
Pflanzgarten: 186 km/h
Entry Schwalbenschwanz: 206 km/h
Schwalbenschwanz: 96 km/h
Galgenkopf: 135 km/h
Döttingerhöhe: 272! km/h

F@cking, why is the RS4 that slow!
Even a normal Carrera laps: 8.17 min
Top speed Döttinger Höhe: 254 km/h
or schwedenkreuz: 240 km/h!

Lets wait for the new RS4 (hopefully a CSL)

Cheers
Conti

Post by **Riz_RS4** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 11:39 am

F@cking, why is the RS4 that slow!

Well i think that the RS4 is a wonderful motor car but its not 100% a sports car, aerodynamics also have a big part on performance and handling....

If Quattro GmbH can pull the weight of their RS cars down and get the driver involvement side of things sussed then the next RS4 has the potential to be a good drivers car.

I was hoping for the RS3 to emerge but after recent and past issues with my local dealers and the whole VAG organisation in the UK im taking my money elsewhere.... most likely to BMW.

Dont get my wrong Audi and now VW make great cars and i love my R32 soo much... it really does give you more fun and driver involvement but having a expensive car and a rubbish after sales care/service doesnt really do it for me.

Still keeping my options open but im swaying towards a BMW next.

Riz

Post by **timfk** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:27 pm

Iain, Are you still selling the RS4? If so any luck?

I wish he was.
John,
After 1250 miles we want a comparison. Nice one

but no room for the garden rubbish!

Post by PP » Tue Jun 15, 2004 9:18 am

Riz_32 wrote:
F@cking, why is the RS4 that slow!

If Quattro GmbH can pull the weight of their RS cars down and get the driver involvement side of things sussed then the next RS4 has the potential to be a good drivers car.

im taking my money elsewhere.... most likely to BMW.

Riz

The A2/A8 aluminium chassis in the RS cars would have made sense. The M3 Coupe Sports Lightweight concept goes back to the legendary 3.0 CSL back in 1972. BMW are happy to go the past for inspiration.

Post by **Gareth** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 1:34 pm

Now that's a proper car John

Hope you get the hang of the SMGII soon....

Almost miss mine now...

Post by **TimJMS** » Sat Jun 19, 2004 11:23 am

Sorry to have come to the thread so late!

Congratulations on the latest purchase John, I am loving mine more each day.

Keep it on the Cups when you can. The whole design of the CSL has been optimised around those tyres. The car wants to understeer with the AVS Yokos. On Cups NONE:)))) Bloody thing just grips and grips and turns in sharply. Makes all the right noises, but needs driving. I find it all very uneasy when being driven slowly

Balance is great. Unlike many of the cars listed above she has virtually 50 : 50 weight distribution front : rear. Soooo easy to catch with some opposite lock. Easy to be always in the right gear. Brakes and gears in harmony, hands on wheel.

Done six full trackdays now and try as I might I cannot get the terminal brake fade that the RS4 used to evoke. Perhaps its the ability to carry much more speed through turns that helps, or perhaps I am smoother these days?

Enjoy. Those first 1250 miles were hateful

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Post by **JohnH** » Sat Jun 19, 2004 1:13 pm

Must admit the running in is not the greatest experience so will have to get some decent runs in when I get time. really looking forward to going over 5K revs but just love the way it blips the throttle on downshifts!!

Post by **Filipe** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:24 pm

Nuerburgring in 8m25sec. (for an Audi RS4) is a litlle!! slow in my opinion...i thought she can do a lot better, near 8m10sec...or so...

Hope they can bring the next RS3 or future RS4 with much! less weight than the supose +- 1600 kgs.

cheers,

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