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S.A.F.E.R - Sensible And Fair Enforcement on Roads

Post by wazza » Fri Nov 14, 2003 10:06 pm

This has been lifted from Pistonheads, where this petition has been brewing for a few months.
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The organisers stress that the petition isn’t a call for an open licence to drive recklessly but a call for a more sensible and more genuine approach to the important issue of road safety, which as we know concerns far more than just whether or not the speed limit is exceeded.

One Third Lie

For some time now the official line to justify the increasing number and type of speed cameras is that speed is the major factor in ‘one third’ of accidents, yet a number of separate OFFICIAL studies actually list excess speed as the primary cause in less than 10% of road accidents. This means that in reality, current ‘safety’ policy is effectively failing to address the true cause of over 90% of road accidents.

This is borne out by the fact that the massive rise in the number of motorists being convicted of speeding every year (now running at around the two million mark) due to the use of speed cameras has not resulted in a correspondingly massive drop in the number of accidents. In fact there have been several instances in which road accidents have actually INCREASED following the introduction of cameras.

Criminalising the Population

What the massive rise in speeding convictions has done however, besides criminalising large numbers of otherwise honest, law abiding citizens, is to enrich official coffers to the tune of over £100 million a year at the expense of Britain’s already hard-pressed motorists. Furthermore, several high-ranking police officers and others have stated that they want this figure massively increased.

Prompted by growing public resentment of this situation, S.A.F.E.R. is intended to give the public an organised and tangible method of both voicing their disapproval of the situation and demanding that it be changed.

Make Your Point

Petition forms can be downloaded from the web site www.saferroads.co.uk although the site still requires a few tweaks before it’s fully ready for the official launch on Monday. By that time there should also be an e-mail available to enable the petition to be promoted by ‘viral marketing’.

S.A.F.E.R’s web site also has a public forum, an on-line survey and links to information that shows just how badly the authorities have been trying to pull the wool over the British public’s eyes with regard to road safety and the use of speed cameras.

With proposals for even more speed cameras and even more insidious means of persecuting motorists who exceed the speed limit (such as the ‘spy in the cab’ chip) it’s imperative that we take action NOW before it’s too late.

As for whether or not the general public is prepared to take action, the coming weeks will tell…

Click the image to link....
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Please fill out the petition and send it off. Make sure all your work colleagues, families etc. know about it too. Image
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Post by Andiroo » Fri Nov 14, 2003 10:22 pm

[img]images/graemlins/thumbs.gif[/img] something I support 100%.

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Post by Joshie » Fri Nov 14, 2003 11:04 pm

Just my observations for what they're worth.........

Well I'll support this although given the choice I would have like parts of it amending. For example, I support the use of mobile cameras as long as they are in urban areas. I have young children - we cycle to school - I see from a cyclists perspective how drivers behave behind the wheel in built up areas and I believe that speed is the most significant cause of accidents and fatalities in towns. In fact I would like to see everyone respecting the 30MPH limits and indeed I would like to see a 20MPH limit in some areas (like the road through our housing estate). In Germany they have no speed limits on certain stretches of motorways but where there are restrictions drivers respect them. Ill discipline is a major issue here in the UK.

So my signed form will go off and I'll email the form out to my friends and colleagues. Let's hope sufficient numbers get behind this. That is the benefit of email and the internet - these things spread.

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Post by Andiroo » Fri Nov 14, 2003 11:29 pm

Good point re the 30 limit.....

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Post by johnRS4 » Sat Nov 15, 2003 11:22 am

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Post by Riz_RS4 » Sat Nov 15, 2003 11:22 pm

maybe if we had a unrestricted motorway in the UK then people can vent their speeding habits now and again.... like a drug speed is..... i agree with 30mph speed limits and built up area being closely watched by the police....

i would like to see the following speed limits implemented.

Busy area`s 20mph/30mph
National speed limit on single roads reduced to 50mph after re-avaluation and 65mph.
National speed limit on dual carridgeways to 75mph
Motorway speed limit in lane one 70mph
Motorway speed limit on middle and outer lanes 80mph

And a unrestricted superhighway...... [img]images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


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Post by JohnW » Mon Nov 17, 2003 2:50 pm

While I agree with a lot of what has been said, I actually believe that the main problem lies with education.

Rather than penalising drivers for failing to drive correctly, better driver education should be used.
This goes for cyclists, motorcyclist, horse riders and pedestrians as well.

The german rules work well as their kids are educated not go running out into the road. They also indicate pedestrian priority zones.

When was the last time you had a cyclist ride straight out in front of you, or a kid run out in the road ?

Here is Surrey the councils have gone mad with blanket 40mph speed limits on all rural roads. Prior to this they moved the 40mph limits out of the villages by around 1 mile.
What happened ?
Well to start with drivers slowed down but observations showed they soon got bored by the time they had reached the village and had sped up again !.
Same goes for these blanket 40mph limits. Most people totally ignore them and consequently have accidents where previously there weren't any... [img]images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Bottom line is correct speed enforcement where appropriate is the answer. Same goes for solid white lines. These are meant to indicate hazards, but if they are plastered the entire length of the road how is a road user using these for information meant to determine where the real hazards are.

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Post by wazza » Mon Nov 17, 2003 5:34 pm

So John, if you read the petition, point 5 covers it nicely. [img]images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Post by JohnW » Tue Nov 18, 2003 2:23 pm

So John, if you read the petition, point 5 covers it nicely. [img]images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

ehem [img]images/graemlins/spineyes.gif[/img]

I didn't intend to write an essay as I was real busy yesterday, but got on my soap-box and got carried away [img]images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I'll try to find time to read it later.
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Post by quattropaul » Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:57 pm

While I agree with a lot of what has been said, I actually believe that the main problem lies with education.
Exactly

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Post by kante3 » Thu Nov 20, 2003 9:41 pm

My two-penneth form someone who is lucky enough to live in Germany.

1. I am in favour of speed limits in and around towns, in many villages (including the one where I live) the speed limit is 30 kmh (or less than 20 mph). I believe this limit is entiely appropriate.

2. Before any action could be taken on speed limits there needs to be a fundamental mindset shift in the UK away from the criminalisation of speed. Simply put, at the moment the punishment does not match the crime. IMO it is ridiculous that EVERY speeding offence carries a point penalty.

3. However, the major problem I see is the ability to change the mindset of the British driver - not those driving at speed, but those who either pootle along dead on the speed limit, or purposely block those trying to go faster. Simply put, the British as a nation are not geared up to people driving at speed so I believe the only way to change speed limits would be a stepped increase over a number of years.

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