RS7 APR Reflash....

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RS7 APR Reflash....

Post by Ricky.REP » Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:35 pm

You guys seen the APR results on the RS7?

http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgra ... s6rs7.html

Bloody impressive for a remap!!

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Post by TechNick » Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:44 am

Very nice!!

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Post by sakimano » Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:15 am

Yes the turbos are very capable

They had their in house RS7 at the dragstrip yesterday running in the mid 10 second range @ 130+mph. For perspective it would destroy a Ferrari 458 and handily beat a 991 Turbo S

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Post by Nige_RS4 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:17 pm

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Post by sakimano » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:29 pm

Nige_RS4 wrote:Sounded ok until I saw this on facebook ... https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 647&type=1
why is that? Similar results. In fact Apr made 730 hp on 100 octane.

Hopefully MRC backs up the dyno with some acceleration testing.

Audi people in the UK seem to be very dyno focused. I'd much rather have some acceleration data. A dyno only really proves that ink sticks to paper.

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Post by S4Player » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:28 pm

That's Damian's white uk rs6 I can't see that being put down a drag strip. He has a house right next to the ring, that should tell how he performance tests his cars
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Post by bam_bam » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:42 pm

lol.
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Post by sakimano » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:51 am

S4Player wrote:That's Damian's white uk rs6 I can't see that being put down a drag strip. He has a house right next to the ring, that should tell how he performance tests his cars
Laps are more of a fun test than a straight power performance test. The tune is a power mod. Why would you put it through a handling, braking and driver skill test like laps on a road course to measure its effectiveness ? You wouldn't. You would put it through acceleration testing. Like every one else on earth does.

Seems only audi owners have this problem with the quarter mile or straight line acceleration testing to measure their acceleration mods. Some kind of half ass snob thing I think.

Every other platform from the mustangs asshole audi owners look down on, to porsches, gtrs and $350,000 2000 hp lamborghinis use straight line acceleration testing as the benchmark measurement for power mods. Because they're not morons. Audi owners? lol

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Post by chunky79 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:49 am

sakimano wrote:
S4Player wrote:That's Damian's white uk rs6 I can't see that being put down a drag strip. He has a house right next to the ring, that should tell how he performance tests his cars
Laps are more of a fun test than a straight power performance test. The tune is a power mod. Why would you put it through a handling, braking and driver skill test like laps on a road course to measure its effectiveness ? You wouldn't. You would put it through acceleration testing. Like every one else on earth does.

Seems only audi owners have this problem with the quarter mile or straight line acceleration testing to measure their acceleration mods. Some kind of half ass snob thing I think.

Every other platform from the mustangs asshole audi owners look down on, to porsches, gtrs and $350,000 2000 hp lamborghinis use straight line acceleration testing as the benchmark measurement for power mods. Because they're not morons. Audi owners? lol
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RS7 APR Reflash....

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sakimano wrote:
S4Player wrote:That's Damian's white uk rs6 I can't see that being put down a drag strip. He has a house right next to the ring, that should tell how he performance tests his cars
Laps are more of a fun test than a straight power performance test. The tune is a power mod. Why would you put it through a handling, braking and driver skill test like laps on a road course to measure its effectiveness ? You wouldn't. You would put it through acceleration testing. Like every one else on earth does.

Seems only audi owners have this problem with the quarter mile or straight line acceleration testing to measure their acceleration mods. Some kind of half ass snob thing I think.

Every other platform from the mustangs asshole audi owners look down on, to porsches, gtrs and $350,000 2000 hp lamborghinis use straight line acceleration testing as the benchmark measurement for power mods. Because they're not morons. Audi owners? lol
You don't know him so I expected that response. I don't personally know him either but I've heard lots about him. He's had various audi Marques and Nissan gtr's etc round the ring so I'll assume he knows how quick each car had went. So his performance benchmark for his rs6 will be for it to beat one of his many previous cars he's took round that circuit, a drag strip is meaningless to him.

In fact I've just realised he's actually on here using the username he uses on another site. I'll ask him to comment on here with regards to wether or not he will go to the strip
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Post by sakimano » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:29 am

I am not talking about him of course.

Just ranting about why audi owners talk about the fricking nurburgring when we are talking about testing an acceleration mod. Makes no sense. MRC are what... 35 minutes from santa pod? They should get out there and dominate.

I can however pretty much guarantee you he didn't buy a 700hp wagon to never go fast in a straight line.

Apr went 10.6 @ 130 on pump gas with their RS7 and their remap. Wonder what an mrc rs6 can do?

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Post by bam_bam » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:39 am

You raise an interesting point but It's not MRC's car so they can hardly just plop it on a dragstrip.
Maybe European Audi owners don't see a remap as an acceleration mod, they probably just see it as a power mod. How do they test it? Dunno, probably put it on a dyno, go to a track or go for a drive. Is the power number an improvement? Yep. Did it faster on the road or track? Yep.
Job done.

Personally, I'd like to see P-BOX numbers like 0-60, 0-100, 30-130, 0-150. Why? Because I've experienced those events numerous times. I just stare blankly at quarter mile times as I've never done one, as I suspect many others on here haven't either. In short, the quarter mile slip just doesn't translate well in Europe.
My guess is if MRC were in direct competition with APR then you might see quarter mile times. Or maybe when owners start taking their cars to drag strips, until then...

Does it go faster? Yep.
Then shut up and take my money.

If your business was working just fine and dandy without bothering about posting quarter mile times, could be arsed to go to Santa Pod?‎
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Post by sakimano » Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:24 am

bam_bam wrote:
Personally, I'd like to see P-BOX numbers like 0-60, 0-100, 30-130, 0-150. Why? Because I've experienced those events numerous times. I just stare blankly at quarter mile times as I've never done one, as I suspect many others on here haven't either. In short, the quarter mile slip just doesn't translate well in Europe.
My guess is if MRC were in direct competition with APR then you might see quarter mile times. Or maybe when owners start taking their cars to drag strips, until then...

Does it go faster? Yep.
Then shut up and take my money.

If your business was working just fine and dandy without bothering about posting quarter mile times, could be arsed to go to Santa Pod?‎
They took the B7 RS4 I believe. Mrc. Customer's car. It's not at all unprecedented. It's also 30-40 minutes away so I don't see the big deal . They also have taken the r8 out. So it's not a stretch by any means. Doug is smart. He knows the strip is impossible to refute . He also knows it's impossible to fake.

every magazine and website does the 1/4 mile here. I agree with you about pbox data being relevant and interesting . Unfortunately anyone can fake pbox results and frankly they're not very accurate. Elevation changes alone can be off 11 feet.

you won't trick santa pod into risking their reputation so you can sell your product. A time slip from a certified track is pretty definitive proof of a concept. That's why the 1/4 mile is so much more embraced here. If I was MRC, someone who has a great reputation, I would 100% embrace the dragstrip . It separates the good from the pretenders. There has been a bunch of chatter on here about another UK tuner selling bogus dyno sheets. What is easier than using a dyno to say your product is great? Nothing. Especially if it's crap. If the standard was a certified dragstrip, the pretenders get weeded out real quick. Or they yell that these cars weren't made for the dragstrip. Always a good sign someone is scared... Either a shop who knows their stuff is <beep>, or a car owner who knows the stuff he bought is <beep> .

Also you say Europeans don't get into the quarter mile because it's not much of a standard but I think you're wrong. There are dozens of dragstrips in the UK and Europe. About the same as over here. Audi owners just don't go. Too snobby is my only guess. The lamborghinis, amg, etc embrace it. As do the 2.2t audi crowd, who dominate it.

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Post by bam_bam » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:38 am

I think you're misunderstanding me. I didn't say ‎Europeans don't go to the strip nor did I say there aren't many strips, I said most people on here probably have never been and that quarter mile slips just doesn't translate well. When I speak to mates who have quick cars here, they never mention quarters and if I started measuring everything by quarter times they'd just stare blankly. In Australia that's very different, I have a mate that used to run a 9s Supra and the yardstick was always a quarter mile.
In the UK, when Top Gear reviews a performance car, they end it with a lap of their track, not a quarter mile. While they'll pit (relevant car) group tests against one another in quarter mile drags, it's typically just who crosses the line first, ‎not the data available on a slip.

If the C7 RS owner wanted his car at Santa Pod then he'd have asked. MRC can't really insist, can they?
I haven't looked at thos videos but how old is the 2.2T now? It's a cast iron block built for FI and peanuts to buy, leaving more to spunk on go faster. I know the Scandinavians love the old 5pot and they're mad dragger and drifters, having common access to both types of track. It's a culture over there, it isn't here.

You say 'If you were MRC' you'd 100% go to the strip. Yet, I asked you before; ‎"If your business was working just fine and dandy without bothering about posting quarter mile times, could you be arsed to go to Santa Pod?‎"
If not posting quarter mile slips was hurting their revenue or was a requirement to their business model, they'd be doing it. If it ain't broken...‎
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Post by Bladerider » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:37 pm

Actually,

I think its simpler than that.

I think the typical newer Audi RS owner over here is usually someone who is either after a high quality car with decent performance as a bonus, or is after an all round performance car that is high end and would be of the track persuasion only as a way to have an enjoyable day out, not as the reason to have the car.

In the states the dragstrip is a way of life and with the huge volume of people over there doing stuff to all makes you end up with a larger number likely to enter into their stereotypically american ethos - ie take the car down the strip. And hence the sliptime comparison becomes the de facto yardstick. I expect there are probably a higher percentage of owners over here modifying their cars, but from a much smaller pool of owners, and of that smaller overall number an even lower relative percentage are ever going to do drag days, and even then probably only at high end Vmax events.

I would also add into this mix the fact that Santa Pod is a great place and I know the owners and staff there well, and I also know that it is not necessarily always geared up for running an 80k road car on a "test your mod basis to backup your business" type outing. The weather here means the track isnt always ripe and the very fact that it IS the premier dragstrip in the UK also works against you when running a roadcar on its surface when prepped or unprepped. You would probably be better off at Elvington or a runway type surface, but then you would also be at a disadvantage to those other less frequented but possibly more flexible tracks others use abroad, because those tenths of a second are the reputation you are so keen to establish.

Now when you get down to old RS models then you are into chepish cars that more people mod and more people are prepared to blow up trying and often fall into the category of drag enthusiast, hence why there are more times from that segment.

Other marques may have a more drag focussed membership - the GTR community is very drag orientated for example and currently the UK has several of the fstest GTR's in the world both VQ and RB powered, 4wd and RWD, same for other jap marques that are often cheap to buy or tune by virtue of turbo's and hence more heavily supported with owners often prepared to spend decent coin with tuners who are then more tempted on out doing each other. I can think of three times more Evo specific specialists than I can think of Audi tuners in general, in fact I can only really think of 5 serious Audi tuners in the UK - MRC, AMD, QST, TSR, Awesome - off the top of my head.

So after a long bunch of waffle I guess the moral of the doodah is - Audi guys in the UK arent interested in dragging their big fat bahnstormers, a few of them like to blat round a track pretending to be Uncle Walter or knocking on 200mph but thats about it, except for B7 owners who are obsessed with wipers, optics and spacers !!

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