C7 S6 vs. C6 RS6

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Re: C7 S6 vs. C6 RS6

Post by Mr V10 » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:35 pm

W8PMC wrote:
D_K wrote:its not

its got launch control and an s-tronic gearbox

the C6 will fly past it like its standing still past 80mph

my old TTRS was in front of Nudenut's 580PS R8 to 60/70 as it launched and hooked up so damn good and had such instant shifts... but at 80mph the V10 went past like I was going backward, it was ridiculous
David, i make the point again that in this country using UK limits it's quicker. Perhaps past 80 or 100 the RS6 would catch up & come past, but how is that really relevant in this debate?

Also & the point i first made that then caused you to defend for some reason is that the C7 S6 has the new 4.0litre TFSi Audi engine, which produces 420ps, yet the C6 RS6 has a 5.2litre bi-turbo Lambo engine that produces 572ps & both cars are of very similar weight, so which car on the face of it is the clever one?

What this does do is bode so well for the next gen RS6. If that has this same engine in a higher state of tune, mated with an s-tronic box then (stock) it could be able to compete with Nissan's mighty GT-R in the performance stakes, albeit both very different cars.
*5.0 twin turbo V10 - Not really much (anything)? to do with Lambo, although there is a Lambo badge on the bottom of the sump IIRC. :S

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Re: C7 S6 vs. C6 RS6

Post by HYFR » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:41 pm

Yes but on that basis a 3.0TDi is faster than a B7 RS 4 if you want to stick to UK limits

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Re: C7 S6 vs. C6 RS6

Post by adsgreen » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:56 pm

D_K wrote:Yes but on that basis a 3.0TDi is faster than a B7 RS 4 if you want to stick to UK limits
Is there such a car doing sub 4.5 to 60?
(not piss taking - I generally skip over anything running on derv)

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Re: C7 S6 vs. C6 RS6

Post by HYFR » Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:02 pm

The new Bi-turbo does 5.1

But how many 0-60 races do you have in your daily drive

I meant rolling starts

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Re: C7 S6 vs. C6 RS6

Post by W8PMC » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:10 am

Amar wrote:
W8PMC wrote:
D_K wrote:its not

its got launch control and an s-tronic gearbox

the C6 will fly past it like its standing still past 80mph

my old TTRS was in front of Nudenut's 580PS R8 to 60/70 as it launched and hooked up so damn good and had such instant shifts... but at 80mph the V10 went past like I was going backward, it was ridiculous
David, i make the point again that in this country using UK limits it's quicker. Perhaps past 80 or 100 the RS6 would catch up & come past, but how is that really relevant in this debate?

Also & the point i first made that then caused you to defend for some reason is that the C7 S6 has the new 4.0litre TFSi Audi engine, which produces 420ps, yet the C6 RS6 has a 5.2litre bi-turbo Lambo engine that produces 572ps & both cars are of very similar weight, so which car on the face of it is the clever one?

What this does do is bode so well for the next gen RS6. If that has this same engine in a higher state of tune, mated with an s-tronic box then (stock) it could be able to compete with Nissan's mighty GT-R in the performance stakes, albeit both very different cars.
*5.0 twin turbo V10 - Not really much (anything)? to do with Lambo, although there is a Lambo badge on the bottom of the sump IIRC. :S

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Is that right Amar? I was sure the C6 RS6 engine was born for the Lamborghini unit. Perhaps I'm confusing it with the R8 V10.
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Re: C7 S6 vs. C6 RS6

Post by W8PMC » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:15 am

D_K wrote:Yes but on that basis a 3.0TDi is faster than a B7 RS 4 if you want to stick to UK limits
No it's not, nearly 1/2 sec between them, but I take the point that yes on a sprint these new diesels can stick with their petrol relatives. My new TDi A8 can hit 62 in 6.1.

Comparison is a tad floored as the RS4 is considerably more dynamic than a TDi S-Line in many other areas & the S6 would be the same (as is the RS6).
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Re: C7 S6 vs. C6 RS6

Post by Mr V10 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:41 am

Paul, as your S6 review was quite good, let's have one of the A8 too please, with photos.
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Re: C7 S6 vs. C6 RS6

Post by adsgreen » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:00 pm

W8PMC wrote: Is that right Amar? I was sure the C6 RS6 engine was born for the Lamborghini unit. Perhaps I'm confusing it with the R8 V10.
The gallardo did originally have a 5.0 V10 up until about 2008 - I would be stunned if the two units were not related.

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Re: C7 S6 vs. C6 RS6

Post by barryrs » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:09 pm

As I understand it Audi took the Lambo unit and re-engineered it to suit the production line meaning that in reality it shares very few identical parts with the Lambo unit.

Different pistons, bores and angle of cylinders is a couple of differences off the top of my head.

There is as Amar said a raging bull on the engine somewhere though 8)

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Re: C7 S6 vs. C6 RS6

Post by W8PMC » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:44 pm

Amar wrote:Paul, as your S6 review was quite good, let's have one of the A8 too please, with photos.
On my current A8? Tis a 2012 3.0TDi SE Exec?

Or did you mean on the new S8 i'm borrowing next week?
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Re: C7 S6 vs. C6 RS6

Post by Mr V10 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:54 pm

I meant on your current D4 A8, but scrap that now, we'll settle for the D4 S8 review instead!
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Re: C7 S6 vs. C6 RS6

Post by sakimano » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:16 am

D_K wrote:tuned C6 = 0-100 <8seconds

not many cars that can do that with a wardrobe in the back
My bone stock b7 RS4 ran 0-100 in 11.0 seconds on Saturday according to my Pbox, en route to a quarter mile time of 12.9 @ 108 @ a certified dragstrip. The S6 would whip my car's @ss. With a tune it would whip my @ss even worse. I imagine tuned S6 wouldn't be far off the tuned RS6 times you are quoting.

60-130 the v10 would rape...but who cares what happens up around 100 to 130 frankly.

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Re: C7 S6 vs. C6 RS6

Post by perthwaRS6 » Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:43 pm

I havent seen any tuned S6's running 11.7 sec quarters or better. There may be, I just havent seen them.
A 700bhp mapped C6 RS6 daily driver will run that time all day with driver plus passenger.
i can confirm D_K statement that "tuned C6 0-100 mph < 8secs."
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Re: C7 S6 vs. C6 RS6

Post by sakimano » Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:54 am

perthwaRS6 wrote:I havent seen any tuned S6's running 11.7 sec quarters or better. There may be, I just havent seen them.
A 700bhp mapped C6 RS6 daily driver will run that time all day with driver plus passenger.
i can confirm D_K statement that "tuned C6 0-100 mph < 8secs."
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That's because nobody has tuned one and run it

C&D clocked it at what..12.1? Even if that is wrong and it runs 12.2 to 12.3, if you will notice the torque and horsepower curves are severely neutered at around 5500 rpm. Audi is bleeding boost off to suppress performance and leave themselves some headroom.

Just holding boost to redline will add a big chunk of power at the top end...and that should push it into the elevens I'm sure. All speculation of course, but I am comfortable with my guess.

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Re: C7 S6 vs. C6 RS6

Post by perthwaRS6 » Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:08 am

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