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Bmw does it, porsche does it, nissan does it, how come the most powerful car in its class does not have a sharp laptime of the most important track in the world? Perhaps someone can enlighten me?
Will they give the PE a serious try to do som sub 8 laps?

A good point! Are they a bit worried though that it's an a to b rocket. Not a cornering machine?

Which is entirely accurate!!

It's still fun to chuck down a quiet B road though, more than I had realised in fact. Having said that I had loan of Aberdeen Audis demo recently on air suspension and thought the handling was terrible, like driving a giant wet sponge.

I had an rs7 on air for a while and it was like driving a jelly through custard - put me right off the rs6/7. Maybe it's better on DRC but it'll never be a 4...

Unfortunately that doesn't help me on my next car choice lol

That's an easy one. They don't do it because it would be embarrassing slow.

Interesting I see everyone slating the Air suspension for being too soft but no-one ever says the car is slow?? Coming from a GTR R35 with rock solid suspension I find the Air preforms fantastically and on dynamic the car handles very very well but the car is so sloooow

you must all drive 200mph round corners but 40 on the straights

Paul, no-one ever says the car is slow because it is not. I don't think you can describe the RS6 as well handling but slow, as it is exactly the opposite. It might not be quick compared a GTR but that doesn't make it a slow car by any standards.

A remapped c6 stuffs most gtr's on the road. Unless a GTR is 700+ it's gonna get ruined in a straight line - but cornering and you'll never hang on the tailcoats of a gtr in the c6. Totally different animals.

I'd imagine the c7 is very similar.

MikeFish wrote:I don't think you can describe the RS6 as well handling but slow, as it is exactly the opposite

I just did lol. I own one and drive one that's how I find it. I feel the handling inspires confidence but it need more power.

Ok maybe its not slow but its deffo not fast (compared to other cars I have owned), Its a quick big car that handles very well. I never said it would handle as well as the GTR but saying the Air suspension "handling was terrible" or "like driving a jelly through custard" are just daft statements.

The C7 handles better than the C6, will keep up with the GTR in the wet easily but not in the dry. GTR handling is awesome

Remapped C6 (700ish) will keep up with a Stage 4 GTR (640bhp) but not in the corners. Both will stuff a standard C7 understandably.

Paulm wrote:

MikeFish wrote:I don't think you can describe the RS6 as well handling but slow, as it is exactly the opposite

I just did lol. I own one and drive one that's how I find it. I feel the handling inspires confidence but it need more power.

Ok maybe its not slow but its deffo not fast (compared to other cars I have owned), Its a quick big car that handles very well. I never said it would handle as well as the GTR but saying the Air suspension "handling was terrible" or "like driving a jelly through custard" are just daft statements.

The C7 handles better than the C6, will keep up with the GTR in the wet easily but not in the dry. GTR handling is awesome

Remapped C6 (700ish) will keep up with a Stage 4 GTR (640bhp) but not in the corners. Both will stuff a standard C7 understandably.

Does the lack of pace dent the enjoyment for you, Paul?

It's not slow, but it's quite effective in doing it. Given how things have moved on there's plenty of stuff that's quicker for similar money. New Carrera 4S is faster in a straight line and won't be seen in the corners. It's 140ps down!

You can have the ABT unofficial for no https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mK1rDNDD2lk

Enjoy!

Having driven an rs7 on air I feel qualified to describe it as I did. Poor handling. It was worse than the c6 on DRC. The c7 on DRC would need to be LEAGUES better than air to even be considered to be well handling! I sold an RS6 for an RS4 for this exact reason. First trip to the ring in the c6 and it was game over.

I think as a package a GTR is hard to beat. I've never taken one on track but have driven one for 30 minutes or so and it was a great car. It's such a shame the interior is so horrible. You can really feel the Datsun heritage - and that's not a good thing!

My own car managed 0-60 in 3.3 and 0-100 in 7.7. To show this wasn't a one off, the Litchfield RS6 managed 3.4 to 60 and 7.9 to 100. Standard figures.

Those are not slow figures and would beat the early 485hp GTR's, match the MY11 530 cars and only just lag behind the newer 550hp cars. Do not believe Nissan's 2.7 0-60 claims or 7:20 Ring lap times. Utter nonsense other than manipulated promo. If you check out the vbox thread over on GTROC, most people are managing 3.1-3.2 60's and mid 7 100's from their 550hp GTR's. 99% of GTR owners would never lap the Nurburgring in under 8mins.

The engines go pop at around 630lbft so around 650-700hp dependent on torque capping but then even still there are a handful of Stage 4 owners with 600-630lbft that have had failures the older and older the cars get. There are lots of examples of premature failures.

The cabins are cheap and nasty and although they used to be a bargain on the earlier cars, Nissan upped the price pretty much 50% upto over £70k. It is just a Datsun at the end of the day. Yes, it's a remarkable car and yes it has ruffled feathers and set some amazing times but they are 2007 cars, coming up for 9yrs old and well past their best. Time for the markets to move on. The RS6 is far superior in pretty much every way (bar handling) but for most of us that never see a race track, handling is of secondary importance. For you to make the RS6 misbehave or under steer on a public road, you should be carted off. These are not cars for swinging out the back end on a twisty B road, they are family cruisers. Even then, a GTR is a sh*t track car unless your pockets are very deep. You'll get through a set of pads/discs and tyres if you drive it flat out around a few laps of the ring, it's a heavy old car too.

Tuned vs tuned? Well, the cars are in limited numbers and there isn't the same tuning scene for the RS6/7 as there is the GTR so yes, whilst there are no 7/8 sec 1/4m RS6's out there and there are tons of GTR's. Like for like, the RS6 will hold its own if not better.

A stage 1 RS6 should beat a stage 1 GTR in a straight. (700hp vs around 590)
A Stage 2 RS6 should beat a stage 4 GTR in a straight (750hp vs around 640) - Silly GTR tuner stage numbers. Stage 2 Audi is bolt ons. Stage 3 is hybrid/big turbo. Stage 4 on a GTR is stage 2 in an Audi RS (Bolt ons, standard turbos)

Stage 3 RS6/7's are said to be good for 1000bhp/900lbft on standard internals, gearbox and engine. Completely different league to what the GTR will do on standard components.

Paul, you are comparing a Stage 5 big turbo GTR to a standard RS6 hence why you believe it to be slow. Hardly a fair comparison but I can see why you have that opinion. Modified vs standard you will always get that, but cast your mind back to when your GTR was standard, there would be very little in it.

As for Air suspension vs DRC, i completely agree with you Paul, the air is fine, it's a bit like saying the RS6 needs the ceramics to stop. Only a professional race driver would get to the limits of the standard suspension. Everyone's entitled to their opinions but there are many of us that are really impressed with the air suspension on the car. I haven't driven the DRC car so don't know the difference, it's just I can't get the car to misbehave enough on public roads for me to think it needs bettered.

For me, times have moved on. There are far better nicer cars out there that you would spend your £75k on. The RS6 being one of them. The GTR is a 2007 car. It's 2016 in a few days.

Help me out guys, pull/tow vs drc, what would you get? Having had two on air, and yes on the short circuit, it wasnt the best. But in a second hand value a lot of rs6 owners DO WANT THE TOW/PULL?????
PLEASE HELP ME QUICKLY WITH THIS!