Testing the water... possible sale

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Re: Testing the water... possible sale

Post by W8PMC » Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:14 pm

Eddie555 wrote:Now your picture was an Se model whereas I've chosen M-sport model. Now the difference is seen as similar. And the point I'd like to add is the M badging that BMW apply to every model which then makes it devalue the M in M5/M3/4 and so on. They are too carefree to badge every thing with a M badge and hence my opinion of lack of finesse. Whereas when Audi stick a RS badge on a Model you know that it is a RS and not a badged up wanna be.
Still as different to a standard F10 as the RS is to a standard C7 Eddie. Yes the Sport looks a little more similar than the SE, in the same way as S/S-Line look more similar to an RS than an SE.

BMW have M-Sport whereas Audi have S & S-Line. Totally agree this is dilution, but no different in that sense between Audi & BMW as they both do it & Audi have other 'specials' such as Black Edition & i think Le Mans (although Le Mans isn't a current model).

I do also agree that i don't like the M badging on M-Sport models, however it's still different to the True M's as on the M-Sport it's a badge on the front wings in the same vain that Audi stick S-Line on the lower front doors. I therefore see your point being that BMW use M-Sport & Audi use S-Line so it's purely the lack of the letter R on any badging as visually it's as easy to distinguish an M5 against an M-Sport as it is to tell an RS6 from an S or S-Line. Only a true M has a number following the letter M & only a true RS has the letter R before the S.

That said i'm moving on so less bothered & JLR have no M or RS range, although they do have R but not on the FFRR so it should not get confused with anything else JLR or anyone else manufacture :bigblink:
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Re: Testing the water... possible sale

Post by HYFR » Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:43 pm

Paul, is your M5 steering wheel the same as the picture I posted ?

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Re: Testing the water... possible sale

Post by PSB1 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:02 pm

W8PMC wrote:
Eddie555 wrote:Now your picture was an Se model whereas I've chosen M-sport model. Now the difference is seen as similar. And the point I'd like to add is the M badging that BMW apply to every model which then makes it devalue the M in M5/M3/4 and so on. They are too carefree to badge every thing with a M badge and hence my opinion of lack of finesse. Whereas when Audi stick a RS badge on a Model you know that it is a RS and not a badged up wanna be.
Still as different to a standard F10 as the RS is to a standard C7 Eddie. Yes the Sport looks a little more similar than the SE, in the same way as S/S-Line look more similar to an RS than an SE.

BMW have M-Sport whereas Audi have S & S-Line. Totally agree this is dilution, but no different in that sense between Audi & BMW as they both do it & Audi have other 'specials' such as Black Edition & i think Le Mans (although Le Mans isn't a current model).

I do also agree that i don't like the M badging on M-Sport models, however it's still different to the True M's as on the M-Sport it's a badge on the front wings in the same vain that Audi stick S-Line on the lower front doors. I therefore see your point being that BMW use M-Sport & Audi use S-Line so it's purely the lack of the letter R on any badging as visually it's as easy to distinguish an M5 against an M-Sport as it is to tell an RS6 from an S or S-Line. Only a true M has a number following the letter M & only a true RS has the letter R before the S.

That said i'm moving on so less bothered & JLR have no M or RS range, although they do have R but not on the FFRR so it should not get confused with anything else JLR or anyone else manufacture :bigblink:
And JLR have SVO / SVO-R / SV something, one badge which surely can't be diluted and passed down to MILF Evoque's, for example. Probably a good thing too as it looks like it was designed on an especially bad task on the Apprentice...
2015-range-rover-sport-svr-pricing-announced-video-photo-gallery_7.jpg
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Re: Testing the water... possible sale

Post by W8PMC » Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:16 pm

Paul789 wrote:
W8PMC wrote:
Eddie555 wrote:Now your picture was an Se model whereas I've chosen M-sport model. Now the difference is seen as similar. And the point I'd like to add is the M badging that BMW apply to every model which then makes it devalue the M in M5/M3/4 and so on. They are too carefree to badge every thing with a M badge and hence my opinion of lack of finesse. Whereas when Audi stick a RS badge on a Model you know that it is a RS and not a badged up wanna be.
Still as different to a standard F10 as the RS is to a standard C7 Eddie. Yes the Sport looks a little more similar than the SE, in the same way as S/S-Line look more similar to an RS than an SE.

BMW have M-Sport whereas Audi have S & S-Line. Totally agree this is dilution, but no different in that sense between Audi & BMW as they both do it & Audi have other 'specials' such as Black Edition & i think Le Mans (although Le Mans isn't a current model).

I do also agree that i don't like the M badging on M-Sport models, however it's still different to the True M's as on the M-Sport it's a badge on the front wings in the same vain that Audi stick S-Line on the lower front doors. I therefore see your point being that BMW use M-Sport & Audi use S-Line so it's purely the lack of the letter R on any badging as visually it's as easy to distinguish an M5 against an M-Sport as it is to tell an RS6 from an S or S-Line. Only a true M has a number following the letter M & only a true RS has the letter R before the S.

That said i'm moving on so less bothered & JLR have no M or RS range, although they do have R but not on the FFRR so it should not get confused with anything else JLR or anyone else manufacture :bigblink:
And JLR have SVO / SVO-R / SV something, one badge which surely can't be diluted and passed down to MILF Evoque's, for example. Probably a good thing too as it looks like it was designed on an especially bad task on the Apprentice...
2015-range-rover-sport-svr-pricing-announced-video-photo-gallery_7.jpg
Oops, good point as i'd totally forgotten about that. The facility is called SVO (Special vehicle Operations) & the only models i'm aware of are the RRS SVR (pimped up performance RRS) & the FFRR SV Autobiography, however the SV Autobiography Dynamic as more about Luxury than performance, albeit the car has the highest rated SC V8 that LR offer. The RRS is more shouty & the SV Autobiography more refined but still a Monster.

Personally i feel that using the words performance & dynamic to describe a FFRR are kind of pointless, but must be a market for the car, albeit at £150k+ i'd assume a small market.

Given JLR also offer the SVR touch to the F-Type, i'd not be surprised to see it appear on other Jags & possible even LR/RR, but who knows. :drink:
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Re: Testing the water... possible sale

Post by W8PMC » Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:24 pm

HYFR wrote:Paul, is your M5 steering wheel the same as the picture I posted ?
Similar, but attached are 2 photos of mine below. Different vertical spoke & M coloured sticking on the leather (can't make out on your photo if the stitching is coloured).
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Re: Testing the water... possible sale

Post by gilford » Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:49 pm

Thats the same wheel out of my M4 I'm sure of it (or is it bigger in the M5?).
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Re: Testing the water... possible sale

Post by W8PMC » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:10 pm

gilford wrote:Thats the same wheel out of my M4 I'm sure of it (or is it bigger in the M5?).
I'd expect it to be the same. No idea of any size difference, but have never driven an M4 so not sure.
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Testing the water... possible sale

Post by HYFR » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:12 pm

Ok, my wheel is a 420d M-Sport

Also just ordered a M140i
22% discount and 3.9% APR
Went for a high spec car

Automatic
5dr
Pro nav
Heated seats
Cruise control
Parking sensors
Harmon Kardon
Adaptive suspension

340PS / 500Nm

£0 deposit, £380pcm

Bargain.

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Re: Testing the water... possible sale

Post by W8PMC » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:33 pm

HYFR wrote:Ok, my wheel is a 420d M-Sport

Also just ordered a M140i
22% discount and 3.9% APR
Went for a high spec car

Automatic
5dr
Pro nav
Heated seats
Cruise control
Parking sensors
Harmon Kardon
Adaptive suspension

340PS / 500Nm

£0 deposit, £380pcm

Bargain.
I guess the different trim & coloured stitching could be specific to the M, but i've not looked closely so no real idea if that's all that's different. The buttons certainly will be as no M1 or M2 on any non M wheel.

A pal of mine bought a M140i & is loving it. Defo a real bargain & great fun on the back roads. Never driven one but i bet they're a real giggle & at those prices a lot of car for the money.
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Re: Testing the water... possible sale

Post by RS6chris! » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:40 pm

Latest M5 does look well in this months Autocar mind....phat with deep dish wheels, ceramics etc etc(albeit a photoshopped pic)

Why don't they do a M5 estate in the latest edition??
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Re: Testing the water... possible sale

Post by zebede » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:49 pm

If that m5 looks like the renders in the latest autocar I shall be knocking at bmw's door one morning and paying a deposit immediately.
If nothing else it will be more reliable than my rs6 (which I've not seen since November as it's still broken).
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Re: Testing the water... possible sale

Post by PSB1 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:52 pm

W8PMC wrote:
Paul789 wrote:
W8PMC wrote:
Still as different to a standard F10 as the RS is to a standard C7 Eddie. Yes the Sport looks a little more similar than the SE, in the same way as S/S-Line look more similar to an RS than an SE.

BMW have M-Sport whereas Audi have S & S-Line. Totally agree this is dilution, but no different in that sense between Audi & BMW as they both do it & Audi have other 'specials' such as Black Edition & i think Le Mans (although Le Mans isn't a current model).

I do also agree that i don't like the M badging on M-Sport models, however it's still different to the True M's as on the M-Sport it's a badge on the front wings in the same vain that Audi stick S-Line on the lower front doors. I therefore see your point being that BMW use M-Sport & Audi use S-Line so it's purely the lack of the letter R on any badging as visually it's as easy to distinguish an M5 against an M-Sport as it is to tell an RS6 from an S or S-Line. Only a true M has a number following the letter M & only a true RS has the letter R before the S.

That said i'm moving on so less bothered & JLR have no M or RS range, although they do have R but not on the FFRR so it should not get confused with anything else JLR or anyone else manufacture :bigblink:
And JLR have SVO / SVO-R / SV something, one badge which surely can't be diluted and passed down to MILF Evoque's, for example. Probably a good thing too as it looks like it was designed on an especially bad task on the Apprentice...
2015-range-rover-sport-svr-pricing-announced-video-photo-gallery_7.jpg
Oops, good point as i'd totally forgotten about that. The facility is called SVO (Special vehicle Operations) & the only models i'm aware of are the RRS SVR (pimped up performance RRS) & the FFRR SV Autobiography, however the SV Autobiography Dynamic as more about Luxury than performance, albeit the car has the highest rated SC V8 that LR offer. The RRS is more shouty & the SV Autobiography more refined but still a Monster.

Personally i feel that using the words performance & dynamic to describe a FFRR are kind of pointless, but must be a market for the car, albeit at £150k+ i'd assume a small market.

Given JLR also offer the SVR touch to the F-Type, i'd not be surprised to see it appear on other Jags & possible even LR/RR, but who knows. :drink:
I have to admit to a sneaking admiration for the RRS SVR. It's a real "FU" to the polar bears, that one.
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Re: Testing the water... possible sale

Post by MikeFish » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:06 pm

I can't find those renders you are talking about online, but these are the test mules shots from almost a year ago. Judging by the reaction above I am assuming the render looks nothing like these:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-c ... its-design

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Re: Testing the water... possible sale

Post by GLM » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:08 pm

MikeFish wrote:I can't find those renders you are talking about online, but these are the test mules shots from almost a year ago. Judging by the reaction above I am assuming the render looks nothing like these:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-c ... its-design
not seen the renders myself yet, but they should be pretty accurate given the leaked CAD drawings that emerges late last year:
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/10/17/cad- ... m5-leaked/

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Re: Testing the water... possible sale

Post by Bit_evl » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:04 pm

If you want to FU a Polar Bear pop out in a G65 or G63 4x4 Squared. best single digit high you will get will be 9 and anything below is easy.

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