Stage 2 boys

[Paulm]

It can now be erased

Yes, I suspect so Paul, I've heard from many tuners that the ecu's couldn't be cloned either in order to run a 2nd ecu, but things are changing and I can confirm that they can, I had a 2nd ecu cloned, immobiliser and clocks worked fine

No mileage stored on the ECU's which make it a lot easier to clone aswell.

Things are progressing nicely

I did say, not just a pretty face you know

[W8PMC]

I think someone did make reference to them in an earlier post, but DMS have now tuned several C7 RS6's with good results so are certainly a consideration in the mix.

I've just organised a Group buy with them for 5 x F10/F13 M5's/M6's in March. Also set one up years ago for the B7 RS4 owners. Happy to approach them regarding the C7 RS6 if a few fancy taking a look?

[Zeebuilder]

Zeebuilder, the only other reputable tuner in Scotland will be through an APR dealer (Ecotune in Glasgow) or a list of revo dealers. The Ecotune RS6 runs 10.5 1/4m times at Crail's raceway so they obviously know what they are doing. £2k for the map though. I fitted a trip into MRC when I was heading down that way anyway, it is a bit of a trek but at least you'll know the car won't sh*t it's pants and its tuned properly. From what I hear, the RS6/7 is a very difficult car to tune, a map on one will run like a bag of <beep> on another, no 2 cars being the same hence why every map MRC do on them is fully customised (and not generic)

Leo, I've been looking into the tuning and Eco tune are after £1998 for the APR map. This was stage 1 keeping OEM exhaust, 2 hours they needed the car for. Lichfield seem to offer the same for £600. You seem to know more about the tuning side of things so was maybe looking for a chat! I'll PM you my number if you get a chance could maybe give me a bell

[Leo-RS]

Zeebuilder, the only other reputable tuner in Scotland will be through an APR dealer (Ecotune in Glasgow) or a list of revo dealers. The Ecotune RS6 runs 10.5 1/4m times at Crail's raceway so they obviously know what they are doing. £2k for the map though. I fitted a trip into MRC when I was heading down that way anyway, it is a bit of a trek but at least you'll know the car won't sh*t it's pants and its tuned properly. From what I hear, the RS6/7 is a very difficult car to tune, a map on one will run like a bag of <beep> on another, no 2 cars being the same hence why every map MRC do on them is fully customised (and not generic)

Leo, I've been looking into the tuning and Eco tune are after £1998 for the APR map. This was stage 1 keeping OEM exhaust, 2 hours they needed the car for. Lichfield seem to offer the same for £600. You seem to know more about the tuning side of things so was maybe looking for a chat! I'll PM you my number if you get a chance could maybe give me a bell

Will give you a bell later in the week, stuck offshore at the moment

APR are taking the p*ss with their pricing.

The Litchfield tune is an unknown, apart from Iain's own car, I'm not aware of any others. There don't appear to be any on this forum and there are none advertised on their facebook/Instagram pages.

Litchfield quote 650hp from their Stage 1 tune which implies that it's a generic file and probably the reason for the 'cheap' cost. The file has already been written, all he needs to do is upload the same 650hp file to a customer RS6, charge them £600 and send them on their way. There is nothing at all unusual about this, this is the way most tuners sell their Stage 1 tunes.

MRC come in at around double that figure but will offer a better remap as it will be fully customised to the car. They may well start with a generic '650hp' file but what they will then do is develop this file so that is fully customised to the car, they will dyno it and add in extra timing and boost and make sure it is running at optimum before handing the keys back to the customer. This further customisation may well produce a further 50hp over the generic file. MRC Stage 1 cars dyno at around 680-710.

Litchfield also do a customised tune but they call it Stage 2 and add in an exhaust. If you're thinking about Litchfield, I'd probably put my money here rather than their Stage 1. There's no point in having a half baked Stage 1 map.

The big question you need to ask yourself is, what are your options should their be a failure, will Litchfield leave you high and dry? TD1 warranty flags have already been discussed

[Zeebuilder]

The guy from Lichfield tells me that any problems the ecu can be easily re flashed and no flags detected what so ever. According to him he has done it on his own motor with no problems

[W8PMC]

The guy from Lichfield tells me that any problems the ecu can be easily re flashed and no flags detected what so ever. According to him he has done it on his own motor with no problems

Other tuners can follow that approach, but in the real world that can prove difficult. If you're stuck on the roadside waiting for Audi Assist, Litchfield won't be able to flash your ECU before your car arrives with Audi.

[Paulm]

The guy from Lichfield tells me that any problems the ecu can be easily re flashed and no flags detected what so ever. According to him he has done it on his own motor with no problems

Other tuners can follow that approach, but in the real world that can prove difficult. If you're stuck on the roadside waiting for Audi Assist, Litchfield won't be able to flash your ECU before your car arrives with Audi.

very true, return to stock only really works if you have minor issues or planning a service or work done.

[Leo-RS]

You could :-

AA back to your home address.
Remove ECU, special delivery to tuner
Refit ECU when it's posted back to you
Phone Audi Assist
Play dumb

Chances are with a Stage 1-2 type tune you should be fine. It's when you start strapping big turbos to the engine that you should be prepared for the hassle.

[Paulm]

You could :-

AA back to your home address.
Remove ECU, special delivery to tuner
Refit ECU when it's posted back to you
Phone Audi Assist
Play dumb

Chances are with a Stage 1-2 type tune you should be fine. It's when you start strapping big turbos to the engine that you should be prepared for the hassle.

Whatever you do it will be a hand sweaty few day lol

[W8PMC]

You could :-

AA back to your home address.
Remove ECU, special delivery to tuner
Refit ECU when it's posted back to you
Phone Audi Assist
Play dumb

Chances are with a Stage 1-2 type tune you should be fine. It's when you start strapping big turbos to the engine that you should be prepared for the hassle.

That wouldn't really work if you had an accident or the car was a daily driver. Audi would also no doubt be curious why you didn't get Audi Assist straight to the dealer (knowing Audi this may not be a thing).

I know DMS would come out to the car to reapply the stock OEM code, but that wouldn't be at really short notice so the above would still apply in that you'd be without your car for a while.

[S4WON]

Ive been in a serious accident and they don't let you get anywhere near the car.

[Leo-RS]

In the event of an accident, you would be claiming under the insurer, not Audi. As long as you're covered there, then no issues

That's true Paul (W8PMC) but it's your car, you can tell the recovery truck driver wherever you want to go. You probably wouldn't phone Audi assist mind. I guess it's the risks you take, fortunately serious failures are rare.

Although i do believe both of us have had F10 engine failures over the last couple of years What did yours die of? I had a manufacturing defect in one of the connecting rods Just like you I managed to reject the car

[Zeebuilder]

Friends with another RS7 owner with a MRC stage 2 map. His car currently sitting with a snapped front drive shaft. Soon see what Audi are going to say! Thing is it snapped pulling out the drive 5mph!

[Paulm]

Friends with another RS7 owner with a MRC stage 2 map. His car currently sitting with a snapped front drive shaft. Soon see what Audi are going to say! Thing is it snapped pulling out the drive 5mph!

that's not good. I wonder what they do in the way of investigation?

[wildbore]

Friends with another RS7 owner with a MRC stage 2 map. His car currently sitting with a snapped front drive shaft. Soon see what Audi are going to say! Thing is it snapped pulling out the drive 5mph!

Perhaps it snapped because the engine (with its remap) delivered too much torque too quickly whilst the wheel was turned at a sharp angle? I guess it depends on how gently your friend was pulling out of the drive.