Stage 2 boys

[MikeFish]

Is that how much normal spark plugs cost nowadays or are these a bit more cos they are special?

[b7rs4saloon]

I know of a tuner who will do a much more favourable price on the tuning. Think I'm going to give them a go and report back with my findings. Offers a money back guarantee and at the price is be daft not to give it a go, will get all of the bolt on mods done then have the software

[Leo-RS]

There are only a handful of tuners in the UK I'd trust on an RS6 and bar Litchfield, they all ask for 4 figures.

Can this tuner remove your TD1 flags if required? If not, you may have serious problems selling the car with a warranty flag showing? Same thing for insurance and warranty purposes should you also go down that path.

Does this tuner use a dyno so he knows what the car is doing at 6700 in 6th gear? How hot and lean it's running?

Just be careful, the money is more than just a map, should there be issues, you need the support network there too.

Keep us updated though.

Mike, for these race plugs I think the price is fairly normal, it's just a bugger having to buy 8 of them

[Paulm]

Does this tuner use a dyno so he knows what the car is doing at 6700 in 6th gear? How hot and lean it's running?

I know you like the dyno part of things but given MRC has been in business for 15year?? I remember when they took the step many moons ago on the S2 forum (and good on them Doug and Mihnea (never could spell his name)have done a fantastic job with MRC) they had no dyno and I think have only had one these last couple of years? So you saying before that their maps were not up to scratch??. I have used 2 of their maps and can confirm they are excellent way before they had a dyno. Logging what the car is actually doing on the road is just as valuable (and what MRC used to preach on their own private track )

I have used the same tuner for nearly 10 years and he will be trusted with the RS6 as well. It will be logged on the road (and track, possibly) and tweaked from there. I will do all the logging work and my guy will adjust the map accordingly. Much the same as Litchfield, SVM, GTC Linney tuning etc do with other marques. I did something similar with MRC years ago with my S4 TT when I added new mods as I was so far up north compared to them.

tuning is versatile and there are a huge verity of options out there I guess its a case of having the stones to try something other than the norm?

[Paulm]

I know of a tuner who will do a much more favourable price on the tuning. Think I'm going to give them a go and report back with my findings. Offers a money back guarantee and at the price is be daft not to give it a go, will get all of the bolt on mods done then have the software

Cool, look forward to your results, I am sure the map will be fine, its not rocket science

[Leo-RS]

Not sure how long they've had a dyno for Paul but the first car they mapped for me was a TTRS back in 2010, they had a dyno back then.

I guess I want to know my car is safe at 200mph and the only way of doing that or getting close to that is on a dyno, even a 4th gear full out run is going to take you over 100mph, doing that out on a road is obviously very risky to them and for sure you need at least a 4th gear pull at the very minimum to load the car properly but on the RS6 ideally a 5th gear full pull.

A lesser known tuner may do a good job, I don't know but the results on the road usually tell. I've seen some horrendously slow looking RS6's on YouTube with a claimed 700hp when they look no quicker than stock. The MRC and equally APR tuned RS6's though are doing 10.5's down the 1/4m and are far from slow. That's the point I am getting at, if a lesser known tuner can produce 700hp and a 10sec 1/4m time then that's great news but so far, not seen any evidence of that other than from the established tuners. I guess I just like the tried and tested method, saves all the arsing around (or buying twice)

In addition to that, things have changed over the last few years. Get a TD1 flag and your car is literally worthless without a warranty. From what I'm hearing some tuners are really struggling with it. MRC on the other hand have it cracked, that in itself is worth the purchase price for me, it's not just adding a few extra psi of boost and a couple of degrees timing, the manufacturers are getting more and more clever and putting in anti tuning measures, I'd say it's far from easy personally but then I'm not a tuner.

TD1 shows up, then you're in a whole world of sh*t.

[Paulm]

MRC have not cracked it the tool companies have. Only a couple though so need to be careful what tool the guy mapping the car uses

[Leo-RS]

A friend of mine in SA enquired about APR tuning his RS6 last week, he was told by his local dealer that he would be stuck with a TD1 flag and that there was no way to remove it, even after a flash back to standard. This is coming from the worlds biggest VAG tuner, if they are struggling with it, then perhaps it's not so easy? There's also a big thread on pistonheads of an APR golf R that had a turbo failure, APR put his ecu back to standard for him and the warranty claim was denied due to the TD1 flag still being present. That was only last year and they are undeniably the biggest specialist VAG tuner on the planet.

I wonder how MRC have managed it?

Anyway, it's just another thing for people to consider. Do you not have this issue with VAG cars at the minute Paul? 99% of people I suspect will want the remap AND want to hold onto their warranty. GTR world seemed to be a bit different with the acceptance that if failure happened then going back to Nissan was a no no, in the VAG world I get the impression this is not the case.

[MartayMcFly]

Bottom line is tuners are going to have to start offering a warranty to cover anything voided by their work. Until that happens, TD1 is going to be a problem but if people are happy enough replacing engines and gearboxes then crack on.

[Paulm]

Bottom line is tuners are going to have to start offering a warranty to cover anything voided by their work. Until that happens, TD1 is going to be a problem but if people are happy enough replacing engines and gearboxes then crack on.

That sort of statement has been going as long as tuning has been.

if it breaks fix it, if you cant afford to fix it don't tune it, simple. If it breaks don't moan either, nothing is 100% guaranteed.

Go have fun or don't who cares

[S4Player]

Bottom line is tuners are going to have to start offering a warranty to cover anything voided by their work. Until that happens, TD1 is going to be a problem but if people are happy enough replacing engines and gearboxes then crack on.

That sort of statement has been going as long as tuning has been.

if it breaks fix it, if you cant afford to fix it don't tune it, simple. If it breaks don't moan either, nothing is 100% guaranteed.

Go have fun or don't who cares

I said this until I was hit with a bill for a new box in my Gtr, TWICE lol

[Paulm]

Bottom line is tuners are going to have to start offering a warranty to cover anything voided by their work. Until that happens, TD1 is going to be a problem but if people are happy enough replacing engines and gearboxes then crack on.

That sort of statement has been going as long as tuning has been.

if it breaks fix it, if you cant afford to fix it don't tune it, simple. If it breaks don't moan either, nothing is 100% guaranteed.

Go have fun or don't who cares

I said this until I was hit with a bill for a new box in my Gtr, TWICE lol

j

Yeah <beep> happens all part of tuning

[Paulm]

A friend of mine in SA enquired about APR tuning his RS6 last week, he was told by his local dealer that he would be stuck with a TD1 flag and that there was no way to remove it, even after a flash back to standard. This is coming from the worlds biggest VAG tuner, if they are struggling with it, then perhaps it's not so easy? There's also a big thread on pistonheads of an APR golf R that had a turbo failure, APR put his ecu back to standard for him and the warranty claim was denied due to the TD1 flag still being present. That was only last year and they are undeniably the biggest specialist VAG tuner on the planet.

I wonder how MRC have managed it?

Anyway, it's just another thing for people to consider. Do you not have this issue with VAG cars at the minute Paul? 99% of people I suspect will want the remap AND want to hold onto their warranty. GTR world seemed to be a bit different with the acceptance that if failure happened then going back to Nissan was a no no, in the VAG world I get the impression this is not the case.

ARP are one of the biggest in VAG thats probably correct but far from one of the biggest tool makers. The update to get round TD1 has only recently been released ( end of last year,ish) everyone uses the same flashing tools, some are better than others ( I think ARP use their I house developed tools but not sure) once one company figures it out the rest are usually quick to follow so I guess TD1 work around will be freely available later this year but for now only one tuning tool company
can do it 100% I guess MRC use that tool as well?

[Zeebuilder]

Interesting read as a few of you will mind the lengthy thread which went on last year regarding the TD1 upon a warrant claim. I can't ever recall that it can now be erased

[Leo-RS]

It can now be erased

Yes, I suspect so Paul, I've heard from many tuners that the ecu's couldn't be cloned either in order to run a 2nd ecu, but things are changing and I can confirm that they can, I had a 2nd ecu cloned, immobiliser and clocks worked fine

No mileage stored on the ECU's which make it a lot easier to clone aswell.

Things are progressing nicely