C8 RS6 finally revealed

[Foxy]

I'm sure the C8 is lighter than the outgoing car and fully expect it to be quicker, but outright speed is not the main consideration for me, handling and balance, roadholding and steering feel are more important, as is ride quality. I wonder if the latest version of air suspension will kill off the DRC debate?

[RC135W]

Oh, and all the 6.7% increase in torque (from 553 to 590 lb-ft) does is counteract the 7% (140kg) increase in weight. It will be interesting to see if a car mag can run a C7 & 8 in a side-by-side test at some point. Maybe a forthcoming Performance variant will address the torque:weight issue, but for now, for me, the C7 is still 'king', if by a whisker.

It has a 14% increase in torque. Even the Performance model only produces 750nm when overboosting so a standard figure of 800nm means 100nm more torque most of the time. Of course all this depends on what figure it actually produces. The standard non performance actually had about 775nm and the Performance on overboost had about 880nm. How much will the C8 actually have?
Also, all the articles I have read says the C8 is 60kg lighter than the C7.

Quite obviously, given the similar power outputs between the C8 and C7PE, I was referring to the Performance variant. 590 lbf-ft is an increase of 6.7% on 553 lbf-ft. As for 'short bursts', how long does one need to draw on that much torque for? I've not seen any figures on the exact time. The '8 has slightly bigger turbos so the potential for more overboots is present. The exact figures are rather less important than the % increase.

CAR magazine reports it as being 140 kg heavier. Those other reports say things like "set to be 80 kg lighter", so the CAR article is more specific. We'll see when the brochure gets released.

[doodlebug]

Having driven several new A6's and A8's with the interior gloss black touch screen, I really don't like them. One journey, and it's full of fingerprints which really detract from the appearance its trying to portray. I'd rather hoped the new RS6 would have had a satin or matt finish to try to resolve the fingerprint issue.
My other dislike is the gear lever - I prefer a definite gear lever position. When I want reverse, I like to move it into the R position, and I want to engage park, I 'd like to move it into the P position, not pressing a P button. I don't like it reverting to its default position after each gear selection. Its fiddly to use, in my opinion.
I also hope the engine Start / Stop button is 'in easy reach' - latterly some models need a great stretch to press it......
Like RC135W, I prefer knobs to touch screens, a 'proper' speedo and rev counter rather than the digital virtual dash - perhaps the dinosaur coming out of me, but I still have my B8 RS4, and still wouldn't consider changing it for the B9 for very similar reasons (the V8 was a big part as well).
I've always been a great admirer of the C7, and at the moment, will be for the foreseeable future. The C8 has no doubt got a lot of superb attributes, but.....

The gear selector is pretty aged really. When did a Fezza, Lamborghini or Macca last have one? Progress......pork has done away with it too.

The tech is a must. Merely keeping pace with everyone else. I welcome this. IMO C7 is looking tired now.

[RC135W]

Hmm, a number of things I don't like about this compared to my C7. Interior's the main thing. I'm an analogue kind of guy and I like the interaction I have with my car: the high-end, watch-like instruments (I favour a Bremont over a G-Shock), the hefty (auto) gear shift with metal that is warm when the sun is out or ice cold in mid-winter, that almost clunks when moving to drive; an overall 'warmth' and personality to the interior, the tactility of manipulating knurled knobs rather than a nasty touchscreen. C7 whispers class, C8 shouts TECHNOLOGY.

As to the outside, it's all a bit much. The C7 is subtly menacing without being too in your face. The C8 is visually shouty about its capabilities. I like the side view and the pumped arches, but the front and rear are too laboured and obvious in an attempt to be aggressive and differentiate it from the boggo models, no-one will need to ask if it's a RS6. It's rather like a McLaren 720 vs. a Senna, effective but lacking entirely in subtlety, albeit in Audi's case for visual impact rather than aero efficiency.

I'd have one for sure if some low-life stole my C7 or wrote it off, but I'd rather spend £60K to keep the systems of mine in fine fettle, and maybe a Litchfield upgrade once the warranty is through, than change to a C8.

Oh, and all the 6.7% increase in torque (from 553 to 590 lb-ft) does is counteract the 7% (140kg) increase in weight. It will be interesting to see if a car mag can run a C7 & 8 in a side-by-side test at some point. Maybe a forthcoming Performance variant will address the torque:weight issue, but for now, for me, the C7 is still 'king', if by a whisker.

Overall for me even the C7 is a little too much tech, the C8 is a step too far. Might be my next car is a restomod '67/8 Dodge Charger with a 528... (once the kids have flown the nest).

Good points, but I remember C6 owners saying the very same about the C7 - they thought it "shouty", underpowered (and a mere V8) and too techy.
The rest is history....

Well, appearances are a matter of personal taste, I immediately preferred the look of a C7 to a C6. I'm sure there were others who thought otherwise. I also prefer the grille on the regular Audi A6 C7 to the C8; pandering to the foreign fashion for guppy grilles gets my goat.

There are things I prefer about the new one, the RS buttons are long overdue. Although if truth be told I stick with my individual mode settings and select engine/gearbox to sport as necessary by pulling back on the gearstick.

The apparent increased choice in seat trim is welcome too, although it is yet to be seen whether Audi UK will allow access to the full range.

Oh, and bigger brakes too. Always a plus. Over 17" of carbon goodness.

[RC135W]

The gear selector is pretty aged really. When did a Fezza, Lamborghini or Macca last have one? Progress......pork has done away with it too.

The tech is a must. Merely keeping pace with everyone else. I welcome this. IMO C7 is looking tired now.

Tech isn't a must, is a fashion. Like digital watches in the 70s and 80s.

Guess what's classier now.

The only thing that gives those things any value is that the vast majority no longer function.

[HPsauce]

Guess what's classier now.

That's easy, anything designed more than 20 years ago.
For example (and a lot of these do still function perfectly):

[stevo55]

Guess what's classier now.

That's easy, anything designed more than 20 years ago.
For example (and a lot of these do still function perfectly):

Much like Layer Cake did for the C5 RS6, am sure Ronin did wonders for sales of the S8 (minus nitrous kit of course)


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[RC135W]

Peak Audi class.

[MikeFish]

Oh, and all the 6.7% increase in torque (from 553 to 590 lb-ft) does is counteract the 7% (140kg) increase in weight. It will be interesting to see if a car mag can run a C7 & 8 in a side-by-side test at some point. Maybe a forthcoming Performance variant will address the torque:weight issue, but for now, for me, the C7 is still 'king', if by a whisker.

It has a 14% increase in torque. Even the Performance model only produces 750nm when overboosting so a standard figure of 800nm means 100nm more torque most of the time. Of course all this depends on what figure it actually produces. The standard non performance actually had about 775nm and the Performance on overboost had about 880nm. How much will the C8 actually have?
Also, all the articles I have read says the C8 is 60kg lighter than the C7.

Quite obviously, given the similar power outputs between the C8 and C7PE, I was referring to the Performance variant. 590 lbf-ft is an increase of 6.7% on 553 lbf-ft. As for 'short bursts', how long does one need to draw on that much torque for? I've not seen any figures on the exact time. The '8 has slightly bigger turbos so the potential for more overboots is present. The exact figures are rather less important than the % increase.

CAR magazine reports it as being 140 kg heavier. Those other reports say things like "set to be 80 kg lighter", so the CAR article is more specific. We'll see when the brochure gets released.

I know you were referring to the Performance version. My point is that the Performance version has 700nm torque, not 750nm. The 750nm is only momentary and in certain conditions. I'd imagine with 800nm available all the time rather than just when the car decides it needs some overboost (overboost doesn't happen every time you accelerate, only in certain conditions i.e. going uphill or when carrying heavy loads) it will have much higher torque all the time not just at peak overboost. Forget peak torque and look at the torque at 1k rpm, 2k rpm etc; I bet it is more like a 14% increase rather than 6%.

Not sure where they got that information from when everyone else is reporting the new car being lighter. We will see.

[RC135W]

It has a 14% increase in torque. Even the Performance model only produces 750nm when overboosting so a standard figure of 800nm means 100nm more torque most of the time. Of course all this depends on what figure it actually produces. The standard non performance actually had about 775nm and the Performance on overboost had about 880nm. How much will the C8 actually have?
Also, all the articles I have read says the C8 is 60kg lighter than the C7.

Quite obviously, given the similar power outputs between the C8 and C7PE, I was referring to the Performance variant. 590 lbf-ft is an increase of 6.7% on 553 lbf-ft. As for 'short bursts', how long does one need to draw on that much torque for? I've not seen any figures on the exact time. The '8 has slightly bigger turbos so the potential for more overboots is present. The exact figures are rather less important than the % increase.

CAR magazine reports it as being 140 kg heavier. Those other reports say things like "set to be 80 kg lighter", so the CAR article is more specific. We'll see when the brochure gets released.

I know you were referring to the Performance version. My point is that the Performance version has 700nm torque, not 750nm. The 750nm is only momentary and in certain conditions. I'd imagine with 800nm available all the time rather than just when the car decides it needs some overboost (overboost doesn't happen every time you accelerate, only in certain conditions i.e. going uphill or when carrying heavy loads) it will have much higher torque all the time not just at peak overboost. Forget peak torque and look at the torque at 1k rpm, 2k rpm etc; I bet it is more like a 14% increase rather than 6%.

Not sure where they got that information from when everyone else is reporting the new car being lighter. We will see.

I know your'e using "momentarily" to underplay the feature, but nowhere have I seen 'short burst defined'. And how many 'short bursts' within a given timeframe? Yes, the same of a torque curve is a factor, but I'm describing peak torque. Which will also be used under full chat acceleration not just going uphill!

[MikeFish]

I'm not underplaying it. I know when it is overboosting because the boost gauge goes red so I know exactly when it does or doesn't overboost. Have a look when you are driving and see for yourself, it doesn't overboost everytime you floor it.

If it wasn't mementary it wouldn't be overboost, it would just be normal.

[welwynnick]

Guess what's classier now.

That's easy, anything designed more than 20 years ago.
For example (and a lot of these do still function perfectly):

That's probably the last Audi I wanted to buy because of it's looks.

Beautiful proportions. I just wish they'd put the turbo engine in it.

Nick

[Special K C5]

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[chunky79]

Love it apart from the wheels. Stunning in Misano with black optics!

[ics3s]

I dont really like the new look. The interior i hate because its a similar interiors on all cars now. Rear def is ugly. Woold rather change my ‘14 to a ‘18 PE and low miles or the new M5. IDK man.... was hoping for something more “crazy” and sexy.


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