Stage 2 boys

[b7rs4saloon]

Looking at going stage 2.

What does this entail? Cat back exhaust & filters?

What filters do people have


Thanks

[MikeFish]

I thinks its turbo back.
MRC also change spark plugs amongst other things I think.
Leo has stage 2 so will be able to give a better answer.

[Leo-RS]

Stage 1 with MRC is just the tune and if fitted the catback exhaust. They also advise Spark plugs and panel filter upgrade too. (680-710hp)
Stage 2 with MRC is the full turbo back exhaust, Spark plugs, upgraded panel filter/intake and the tune. (730-750hp)
Stage 3 with MRC would be turbo and charge cooler changes (800+hp)

The same applies for all specialist VAG tuners be that MRC/Revo/APR/ABT etc

Forget the Litchfields Stage 1-3 numbers, their Stage 3 is everyone else's Stage 2 and their Stage 2 is everyone else's Stage 1, they should stick to tuning Datsuns.

Stage 2 makes a good difference over Stage 1, the full turbo back exhaust is definitely worth doing

[RIV]

Forget the Litchfields Stage 1-3 numbers, their Stage 3 is everyone else's Stage 2 and their Stage 2 is everyone else's Stage 1, they should stick to tuning Datsuns.

Snigger!!

[Leo-RS]

I have an ITG panel filter, it's the filter MRC supply.

Best to keep the standard airbox and protect the intake temps from heatsoak in my opinion.

[b7rs4saloon]

When I spoke to them they advised:
Stage 2 remap
Software, cat back, filters

Stage 2+ remap
Software, full exhaust, filters, plugs

Stage 2 will do for me, the extra 20bhp isn't worth double the money for me, however I am due a plug change so will fit the updated NGK plugs, anybody know which ones they are?

The filters are ITG aswel I believe?

[Leo-RS]

Spoke to who? Litchfield?

MRC with a catback exhaust will give you a figure between 680-710, just have a look at all their results on their Facebook page.

[b7rs4saloon]

Spoke with MRC.

Anybody who's had their plugs done as part of the upgrade care to share which ones that have been fitted? Will probably do these myself along with oil & filter change, fuel filter & fit the ITG air filter, then it can just go to MRC for software. I want to reduce the waiting time as il be hanging about while they do the work

Thanks

[Zeebuilder]

Stage 1 with MRC is just the tune and if fitted the catback exhaust. They also advise Spark plugs and panel filter upgrade too. (680-710hp)
Stage 2 with MRC is the full turbo back exhaust, Spark plugs, upgraded panel filter/intake and the tune. (730-750hp)
Stage 3 with MRC would be turbo and charge cooler changes (800+hp)

The same applies for all specialist VAG tuners be that MRC/Revo/APR/ABT etc

Forget the Litchfields Stage 1-3 numbers, their Stage 3 is everyone else's Stage 2 and their Stage 2 is everyone else's Stage 1, they should stick to tuning Datsuns.

Stage 2 makes a good difference over Stage 1, the full turbo back exhaust is definitely worth doing

Speaking to MRC yesterday they quoted £1100 including vat for their stage 1 without a replacement filter as I'll already have 1. They recon between 650-700ps as they have never tested the roc-euro filters which I'm fitting!

Oxford seems a bit of a trek and I was wondering if anyone knows any decent tuners this side of the border?? (Scotland)

[Paulm]

Stage 1 with MRC is just the tune and if fitted the catback exhaust. They also advise Spark plugs and panel filter upgrade too. (680-710hp)
Stage 2 with MRC is the full turbo back exhaust, Spark plugs, upgraded panel filter/intake and the tune. (730-750hp)
Stage 3 with MRC would be turbo and charge cooler changes (800+hp)

The same applies for all specialist VAG tuners be that MRC/Revo/APR/ABT etc

Forget the Litchfields Stage 1-3 numbers, their Stage 3 is everyone else's Stage 2 and their Stage 2 is everyone else's Stage 1, they should stick to tuning Datsuns.

Stage 2 makes a good difference over Stage 1, the full turbo back exhaust is definitely worth doing

Speaking to MRC yesterday they quoted £1100 including vat for their stage 1 without a replacement filter as I'll already have 1. They recon between 650-700ps as they have never tested the roc-euro filters which I'm fitting!

Oxford seems a bit of a trek and I was wondering if anyone knows any decent tuners this side of the border?? (Scotland)

£1100 that's painful lol

[Leo-RS]

Is £1100 painful? How much is dyno time, about £80-100 an hour including VAT?

Factor in that you'll be there the best part of 6hrs or so, I'd say £1100 was reasonable considering other specialist VAG tuners are much more expensive. They had my car 24hrs pretty much perfecting the map.

You're paying for their expertise and time too. You could buy a tuning box that adds a few more psi of boost and little more timing but try 200mph down an autobahn with that and it will grenade.

[Leo-RS]

Zeebuilder, the only other reputable tuner in Scotland will be through an APR dealer (Ecotune in Glasgow) or a list of revo dealers. The Ecotune RS6 runs 10.5 1/4m times at Crail's raceway so they obviously know what they are doing. £2k for the map though. I fitted a trip into MRC when I was heading down that way anyway, it is a bit of a trek but at least you'll know the car won't sh*t it's pants and its tuned properly. From what I hear, the RS6/7 is a very difficult car to tune, a map on one will run like a bag of <beep> on another, no 2 cars being the same hence why every map MRC do on them is fully customised (and not generic)

[Paulm]

Is £1100 painful? How much is dyno time, about £80-100 an hour including VAT?

Factor in that you'll be there the best part of 6hrs or so, I'd say £1100 was reasonable considering other specialist VAG tuners are much more expensive. They had my car 24hrs pretty much perfecting the map.

You're paying for their expertise and time too. You could buy a tuning box that adds a few more psi of boost and little more timing but try 200mph down an autobahn with that and it will grenade.

don't care still painful

I do fancy a tuning box. Will be remapping it though.

Don't knock a tuning box until you have read the thousands of Burger tuning BMW mods in the US. HUGE power very very good results.

[Paulm]

From what I hear, the RS6/7 is a very difficult car to tune,

Only if you don't know what you are doing.

[Leo-RS]

Tuning boxes will not remove the 155/174/189 limiters. In addition, they run base fuel maps which with a 40-50% increase in boost pressure thus a lot higher EGT's will run extremely lean and likely grenade on track or at high speed driving. I wouldn't like to go on a top speed run on a tuning box with lambda pegged at 0.9, would you? Yeah the standard inbuilt protection measures will likely put it into limp home mode before that happens but not always especially if continued abuse.

They can't adapt for Stage 2 type mods, limit boost on launch, adapt for higher octane etc, tuning boxes are extremely limited and if a fully customised map is at 100%, a tuning box will only be at 75%.

I would say MRC know how to do it Speak to them and see, there's a reason why the need 6hrs+ to tune these cars, yeah they can load in a base generic map and pump out 650 on the dyno but there's a reason they tune further, the cars leave with 680-710 with further tweaking and testing, dyno time. Pay £600 for a Litchfield generic 650hp tune or £1100 for a fully customised 700 tune? What's the point in going half way, tune it right, tune it once.

You want to know what the cars are doing EGT and fuelling wise at 6500 in 6th too, something you can't do on the road. Dyno time is not cheap, £1100 is reasonable I would say. I guess GTR tuning was a lot cheaper Paul, but GTR tuning market is a lot bigger, with a lot bigger market, more competition, prices tumble.