I spy with my little eye ...

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Post by W8PMC » Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:38 am

HYFR wrote:That makes no sense. There are plenty of OAP's driving mercs, bm, Audi, Volvo etc

Jaguars image was badly tarnished under poor ownership from Ford and BMW with a mix of poor cars, poor design and poor engine choice.

But the history of the brand is very rich in sports cars and sports saloons.

Under tata ownership it is being allowed to design beautiful cars with emotion and passion and with investment they can back that up with class rivaling economics and driver engagement

And above all it is a British success story, so I do sometimes despair at the continued piss and slippers stereo type which IMO is to a large extent ignorant of the reality, but accept you cannot please everyone and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
That may well be the case DK & i doubt anyone would argue that the new range of Jags are a massive improvement over their predecessors, but it's very hard to break indoctrinated stereotypes & for the age group (say 30-50), the Jag is still seen as an older Gentlemen's vehicle, in the same way the medium/bigger Mercs are. I've no idea why Audi & BMW don't really fall into the same category, but i don't make the stereotypes. The only analogy i can give is Skoda (very different i know), but when i was young the Skoda was a joke car & although it's been part of VAG for many many years now & nobody can really cast a bad word about the car, i'd still if i was buying in that market pay an extra couple of Grand & get the VW or Audi equivalent.

My aspirational car when i was a kid was actually a Jag XJ Coupe & i still love the big Jags (always have), but i just couldn't yet bring myself to consider one. The XE is a nice looking motor, the F-Type is stunning & would certainly be on my 2 door Sports Car shortlist if that was my consideration. The new F-Pace i'm not sure as although it's a competitive market, Jaguar appear to have arrived very late with a Me Too vehicle, so i'm not sure how that strategy will work out for them unless that sector is in fact still growing (it may well be). The car looks nice & i'm sure will drive well, but my feeling is the existing players in that sector such as Audi & BMW have the market share & will the new F-Pace take anything from the established players? I really don't know.
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Re: I spy with my little eye ...

Post by Ian_C » Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:20 pm

HYFR wrote:But expensive luxury cars can only be bought by men with means

It's only new products like the XE and F-PACE which list at £2Xk+ which allows younger buyers.
The F Pace starts from under 30k? Christ, that's well priced! :thumbs:
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Post by W8PMC » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:01 pm

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HYFR wrote:But expensive luxury cars can only be bought by men with means

It's only new products like the XE and F-PACE which list at £2Xk+ which allows younger buyers.
The F Pace starts from under 30k? Christ, that's well priced! :thumbs:
Tis good indeed, but doesn't the Q5 & X3/4 start well below £30k for a base vehicle? I spotted the F-Type tops out & i'm guessing without all the boxes ticked at above £60k which i'm not sure it's competition do. I could be wrong though but SWMBO had a fully loaded Q5 2.0TFSi S-Line & that still came in at under £40k & even the SQ5 i doubt can be spec'd up to much North of £50k unless you go Audi Exclusive.

Is the F-Pace playing in this Medium SUV sector or more towards the X5, in which case £30k is great value.
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Re: I spy with my little eye ...

Post by HYFR » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:50 pm

Jag's are rubbish

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Post by chunky79 » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:59 pm

Look forward to seeing those all parked up at the local old peoples home :roll:.
Look forward to seeing the xe-r.
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Post by HYFR » Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:07 pm

S4WON wrote:I think this is the same designer?

http://diply.com/humour-zone/a-man-turn ... rts/184346

WTF?!

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Post by 535dboy » Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:22 am

Shame the XE and new XF rear end look so <beep> and look like some Japanese <beep>

Other than that I think they have presence

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Post by W8PMC » Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:41 am

HYFR wrote:Jag's are rubbish

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That looks stunning. Any more details?
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Post by Ian_C » Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:41 pm

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Post by MikeFish » Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:01 pm

That is stunning. And it has a "Formula 1-inspired, 1.6-litre dual-boosted (turbocharged and supercharged) four-cylinder powerplant which generates 502 bhp at 10,000 rpm".

:biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :shock: :shock: :shock:

And "It is allied to the highest torque and power density electric motors in production, which generate a further 390 horsepower".

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Post by bam_bam » Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:58 pm

MikeFish wrote:
That is stunning. And it has a "Formula 1-inspired, 1.6-litre dual-boosted (turbocharged and supercharged) four-cylinder powerplant which generates 502 bhp at 10,000 rpm".

:biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :shock: :shock: :shock:

And "It is allied to the highest torque and power density electric motors in production, which generate a further 390 horsepower".
Yeah yeah but what does it quarter mile at?

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Re: I spy with my little eye ...

Post by chunky79 » Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:52 am

Isn't it going to be in the next James Bond movie?
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Re: I spy with my little eye ...

Post by S4WON » Fri Sep 18, 2015 7:13 am

"Octopissy"?

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Re: I spy with my little eye ...

Post by bam_bam » Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:41 am

S4WON wrote:"Octopissy"?
Slipperpissy.

From Slushpuppy with Piss.

The Man with the Golden Jaaaaag.

OAP Royale.

OAPs Live Twice.

Jaaaaaaags are Forever.

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