Had a look at one yesterday.... amazing! [img]images/graemlins/tung2.gif[/img]
Priced just under £59k iirc.
Riz [img]images/graemlins/s3addict.gif[/img]
M3 CSL = ** King of bling**
M3 CSL = ** King of bling**
I`m just a hardcore petrol head 
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Re: M3 CSL = ** King of bling**
Hi Riz. I love them mate. I am not a fan of BMW's, basically because they've become the haemorrhoid of late, like the Rolls Royces used to be in the 80's - that being that every arsehole's got one.
I don't like M3's that much because it seems to me you have to be a rapper or at least a gangsta or pimp to own one. I've had many a run-in with them when I was driving my Mini Cooper because through the bends I could have anything, and when you're being hassled by an idiot in an M3 it's very satisfying to watch his girlfriend giggle as his brains explode at the sight of a pissy little Mini bombing off out of sight.
But the CSL is entirely different. A standard M3 is a bit lairy, but the CSL is unbelievable. Had a quick ride in one, and I'd love to drive one, but of course being 19 it's not so easy to get a test drive. Love the engine, especially the noise, throttle response and pure acceleration. The handling felt very neutral with that flickability now just part of owning a BMW. Not a fan of the flappy paddle gearbox, but it works. Ish. Pretty useless car all in all though, without aircon, a radio, even proper tyres. But for a half hour blat up a hill on a sunny day, legendary. Only trouble is if it's cold, you freeze, if it's hot, you boil, if it's kinda merky and soggy like it is in the UK 90% of the time, it's a handful. And making an M3 a handful isn't a good idea, since it's not exactly difficult to end up in a field in a standard one!
Somebody on here has one don't they? Sorry I can't remember who, perhaps they will enlighten us! I'd love to know if the excitement lasts, and if anyone can live with it everyday!
Rock on
Sam [img]images/graemlins/thumbs.gif[/img]
I don't like M3's that much because it seems to me you have to be a rapper or at least a gangsta or pimp to own one. I've had many a run-in with them when I was driving my Mini Cooper because through the bends I could have anything, and when you're being hassled by an idiot in an M3 it's very satisfying to watch his girlfriend giggle as his brains explode at the sight of a pissy little Mini bombing off out of sight.
But the CSL is entirely different. A standard M3 is a bit lairy, but the CSL is unbelievable. Had a quick ride in one, and I'd love to drive one, but of course being 19 it's not so easy to get a test drive. Love the engine, especially the noise, throttle response and pure acceleration. The handling felt very neutral with that flickability now just part of owning a BMW. Not a fan of the flappy paddle gearbox, but it works. Ish. Pretty useless car all in all though, without aircon, a radio, even proper tyres. But for a half hour blat up a hill on a sunny day, legendary. Only trouble is if it's cold, you freeze, if it's hot, you boil, if it's kinda merky and soggy like it is in the UK 90% of the time, it's a handful. And making an M3 a handful isn't a good idea, since it's not exactly difficult to end up in a field in a standard one!
Somebody on here has one don't they? Sorry I can't remember who, perhaps they will enlighten us! I'd love to know if the excitement lasts, and if anyone can live with it everyday!
Rock on
Sam [img]images/graemlins/thumbs.gif[/img]
If you can drive it, I can crash it
Re: M3 CSL = ** King of bling**
I think the chap sold it on..... [img]images/graemlins/nodder.gif[/img]Somebody on here has one don't they? Sorry I can't remember who, perhaps they will enlighten us! I'd love to know if the excitement lasts, and if anyone can live with it everyday!
Rock on
Sam
I`m 23 and insurance is a killer.... a M3 CSL for me...... naaaaa dream on.
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Re: M3 CSL = ** King of bling**
Nuff said really!I think the chap sold it on..... [img]images/graemlins/nodder.gif[/img]
You don't know the half of it mate! Mini Cooper, 1.3 litre, 0-60 in 4, maybe 5 days etc........£3,500 fully comp. You were saying? [img]images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]I`m 23 and insurance is a killer....
I just hope by the time I'm 23 I can be in a similar car situation to you Riz! 18 year old 5 series' are starting to bore the [img]images/graemlins/dung.gif[/img] out of me
Rock on
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wtf ouch.... thats steep.£3,500 fully comp. You were saying?
My S3 was £1720 + £500xs
S3 last year £1300 + £500xs
R32 £2200 + £700xx
OUCH!
Riz [img]images/graemlins/s3addict.gif[/img]
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I saw one yesterday at my BMW-dealer-mate's garage. He cajoled me - against my will - into taking it for a drive. Its a long time since I have been genuinely gobsmacked by a car - not as quick as our RS4 in a straight line, but just BRILLIANT. And the noise....! And I never thought I'd actually like a paddleshift box... FOr the first time in three years the RS4's position in our garage is in serious doubt (sorry chaps!). If you get the chance, have a go in one! And if anyone is interested in a cheap RS4...?!
GM
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Re: M3 CSL = ** King of bling**
How cheap squire? Fancy a swap for my £600 5 series? Reliable, comfortable, (cough) economical "eta" version, 2.7 straight six...And if anyone is interested in a cheap RS4...?!
Worth a shot.
To be honest I'm glad someone else posted, it was starting to look like the Sam and Riz show!
Rock on
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Re: M3 CSL = ** King of bling**
Nice try...! Now if it had been a manual M535i (without spoilers)...
BTW I think you are right that someone on these forums has got a CSL? I'd love to hear what they think cos I'm teetering on the brink of signing the cheque.
GM
BTW I think you are right that someone on these forums has got a CSL? I'd love to hear what they think cos I'm teetering on the brink of signing the cheque.
GM
Re: M3 CSL = ** King of bling**
Csl is the next vehicle on my test drive list. Did the Noble M12 GTO 3R on Friday - which is pretty blingy in itself [img]images/graemlins/033102bigblink_1_prv.gif[/img]
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The M535's were quite pleasant, although I think you've got your mind on the shape after the one I'm driving. I'm crap with E numbers, but mine's the one that ran up until 1989, when the shape changed to the one that lasted until 1995 or whenever it was. That 3.5 straight six was a great engine though, although the 2.7 in mine is clever in its own right. Stupendously long stroke, so loads of torque, good growl, idles at about 500rpm, redlines at 4,500rpm, and absolutely no top end power AT ALL! Good and lazy though, with a strange ability to create wheelspin. Intriguing...
As for the CSL, it's a big ol' cheque to be signing if you ask me. Depends if it's your everyday car. "Trading" it for the RS4 is a big difference. Obviously if you only use the RS for sh1ts and giggles, then go for it. But I know most of the chaps use their RS every day, since it's comfortable, reasonably quiet, well equipped, but then staggeringly fast and pretty good fun. The CSL is more of a car you wake up on a sunday morning in March, the sun's shining, bit of birdsong, and you just think "flip it, I'm going out for a bit".
For £60k I'd probably rather have something a little more user friendly, although that noise is staggering. Really, truly, awesome, from everywhere as well. The RS4 sounds good on full tilt in the car, but with your head under the bonnet it sounds pants, and even when one whooshes past it's not got a sound you just stand in silence with a grin on your face to, kinda like Concorde when they first started flying. But the CSL you do. You hear one coming from a mile away, and it just sounds beautiful. Anywho, enough of my drivel, if you've got the money, go for it I say! Right now I'd settle for a 5 year old A4 diesel [img]images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Rock on
Sam [img]images/graemlins/thumbs.gif[/img]
As for the CSL, it's a big ol' cheque to be signing if you ask me. Depends if it's your everyday car. "Trading" it for the RS4 is a big difference. Obviously if you only use the RS for sh1ts and giggles, then go for it. But I know most of the chaps use their RS every day, since it's comfortable, reasonably quiet, well equipped, but then staggeringly fast and pretty good fun. The CSL is more of a car you wake up on a sunday morning in March, the sun's shining, bit of birdsong, and you just think "flip it, I'm going out for a bit".
For £60k I'd probably rather have something a little more user friendly, although that noise is staggering. Really, truly, awesome, from everywhere as well. The RS4 sounds good on full tilt in the car, but with your head under the bonnet it sounds pants, and even when one whooshes past it's not got a sound you just stand in silence with a grin on your face to, kinda like Concorde when they first started flying. But the CSL you do. You hear one coming from a mile away, and it just sounds beautiful. Anywho, enough of my drivel, if you've got the money, go for it I say! Right now I'd settle for a 5 year old A4 diesel [img]images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Rock on
Sam [img]images/graemlins/thumbs.gif[/img]
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Re: M3 CSL = ** King of bling**
Well I think its pretty hard to beat the sound of an RS4 / S4 with the full Milltek. Even the M3 for all that owners go on about what a fantastic noise - I'm not entirely convinced.
As far as all the other bull written about M3's in this thread I'd simply say that you need to live with one for a while before passing judgement.
The M3CSL by the way does have an options list including satnav and air con. So, RS4MEPLEASE, don't take everything you read in Evo as gospel [img]images/graemlins/033102bigblink_1_prv.gif[/img]
Gareth, BTW had an M3CSL for a while but changed it for a B6 S4 for a number of reasons but not because it didn't live up to expectations, cos it did. [img]images/graemlins/thumbs.gif[/img]
As far as all the other bull written about M3's in this thread I'd simply say that you need to live with one for a while before passing judgement.
The M3CSL by the way does have an options list including satnav and air con. So, RS4MEPLEASE, don't take everything you read in Evo as gospel [img]images/graemlins/033102bigblink_1_prv.gif[/img]
Gareth, BTW had an M3CSL for a while but changed it for a B6 S4 for a number of reasons but not because it didn't live up to expectations, cos it did. [img]images/graemlins/thumbs.gif[/img]
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Re: M3 CSL = ** King of bling**
The M3CSL by the way does have an options list including satnav and air con.
You can get air con on the CSL but you cannot get the factory fit sat nav on the CSL.
The only options available on the CSL were
Graduated top tint screen or climate comfort screen
Air Con
Business CD with cassette or single CD.
Rear Parking sensors
CSL wheels with Michelin Pilot Cup tyres (you need to sign a disclaimer saying that you understand the tyres have very little grip in cold or very wet weather)
Speed restrictor removal (you need to have a competition licence)
Xenon headlights
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Joshie, if we're gonna get on a condescending tone [img]images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] then I think you should read the rest of my posts a little more carefully! [img]images/graemlins/biggrin2.gif[/img] I said I'd had a little ride in one, and a fair few lengthy conversations with the chap who owns it. Thus I am familiar with the options list [img]images/graemlins/roundeyes.gif[/img]
As has been said, SatNav wasn't a factory option, and even if it was, at BMW list prices it probably would've put the price up by £3k or something silly. And it might just be me, but having to pay EXTRA for a CD/cassette player in a sixty grand car is a touch odd. This is what I have against BMW, the fact that they're not cheap to start with, and then you have to pay extra for anything else you'd like, which is often a good 4 or 5 grand to get your car up to a nice spec.
And anyway, what's the point in BMW spending so long on making the CSL if all you're gonna do is load it up with heavy sh1t like SatNav and CD players? [img]images/graemlins/bigwave.gif[/img]
Now all I gotta do is find something to hide behind [img]images/graemlins/rocketwhore.gif[/img]
Rock on
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As has been said, SatNav wasn't a factory option, and even if it was, at BMW list prices it probably would've put the price up by £3k or something silly. And it might just be me, but having to pay EXTRA for a CD/cassette player in a sixty grand car is a touch odd. This is what I have against BMW, the fact that they're not cheap to start with, and then you have to pay extra for anything else you'd like, which is often a good 4 or 5 grand to get your car up to a nice spec.
And anyway, what's the point in BMW spending so long on making the CSL if all you're gonna do is load it up with heavy sh1t like SatNav and CD players? [img]images/graemlins/bigwave.gif[/img]
Now all I gotta do is find something to hide behind [img]images/graemlins/rocketwhore.gif[/img]
Rock on
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As far as all the other bull written about M3's in this thread I'd simply say that you need to live with one for a while before passing judgement.
Thats one of the most germane comments I have heard in a long while regard to the M3. I took a manual and SMG one for a 1 hour test drive each with my (very helpful) dealer and felt very uncomfortable on the damp, slippery roads I know very well. The throttle was sharp, the steering lacking in feel and the rear shouting at me lots to slow down.
My dealer lent me one for a full weekend, and how my opinions have changed. This car (treated to a more considered driving approach) is not at all lairy, the rear end can be lent on really heavily in the corners (much more so even that the S4 and certainly than the old M3 or M Roaster) and the handling and pace of the machine beggars beleif. For a rear wheel drive car, the cross country pace is fantastic due to the confidence, predictablilty and fluid handling. I can only imagine that anyone who accuses the car of being a handful (or similar) simply either does not have the skill to drive one well, or has not had the time to fully realise the chassis considerable potential.
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Re: M3 CSL = ** King of bling**
Intersting that your experience mirrors mine David. Many of the knockers simply haven't driven the car for any extended period. And also the M3 seems to be the car that people love to hate [img]images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Thanks Scillyisles for pointing out that the CSL actually does not provide an option for a factory fitted sat nav system. You learn something new every day.
Hey, RS4MEPLEASE - not getting at you mate - good point about the weight saving measures being diluted with the fitment of aircon etc. [img]images/graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] It was the gangster comments and the fact that you think they're common as muck that I thought was bull [img]images/graemlins/033102bigblink_1_prv.gif[/img]
Not sure I'd go for the CSL though. Just don't think it represents that much more over the standard M3 for an extra £15K. Evo actually found that the standard M3 is quicker by 2 tenths of a second to 60 - really, I thought [img]images/graemlins/3flypigs.gif[/img]
Thanks Scillyisles for pointing out that the CSL actually does not provide an option for a factory fitted sat nav system. You learn something new every day.
Hey, RS4MEPLEASE - not getting at you mate - good point about the weight saving measures being diluted with the fitment of aircon etc. [img]images/graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] It was the gangster comments and the fact that you think they're common as muck that I thought was bull [img]images/graemlins/033102bigblink_1_prv.gif[/img]
Not sure I'd go for the CSL though. Just don't think it represents that much more over the standard M3 for an extra £15K. Evo actually found that the standard M3 is quicker by 2 tenths of a second to 60 - really, I thought [img]images/graemlins/3flypigs.gif[/img]
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