Anyone ever considered emigrating?

[S4TAN]

The Lightbringer - The Morning Star!

[derdle]

S4TAN for pm!

[JohnW]

Bloody hell S4tan, and I thought I was a cynic :p

All I'd add is, there are those that follow the rules, and those that use the rules to their advantage.
You can find both types no matter which country your in, the only thing that differs is how each type is regarded and treated.

[S4TAN]

Haha - I guess it does come across as cynical - but what I say is nonetheless true

Agree with "knowing how to play the game" - but you'll still be a dispensable statistic to the big-boys and their far-reaching schemes and plans ...

[Turbo Joe]

trouble is most people are blind to the truth too busy worrying about paying the mortgage and buying the latest 500inch flat screen tumble dryer that the neigbours have..

Bingo! That's exactly the way "they" have engineered it: the way a very select elite minority can control the masses is by fear and distraction. Organised religion used to be the method of choice for instilling fear (remember these charming epithets? "Fear the vengeance of God/wrath of God ... be God fearing ... you'll go to Hell unless you live the way we tell you ... God will strike you down" ... etc etc) - now that organised religion has lost its grip in the West "they" had to invent new "bogeymen" - the USSR and the "Red peril" of Communism was great at uniting America and distracting its peoples eyes away from what the Government were really up to - when the Iron Curtain crashed they had to scrabble around for a new bogeyman sharpish - et voila: Osama Bin Bogey and his naughty gang enter stage left. Brilliant!

TV has been the greatest tool in keeping the masses eyes averted from the truth - a steady stream of deliberately manipulated and heavily edited news, "chewing-gum for the eyes" soap operas that make you think your life is "quite alright really ... I mean, it could be worse, just look at poor so and so on Coronation Street ...", celebrity shows and gossip for the terminally stupid (Celebrity chefs, celebrity ice-skaters, celebrities in jungles, celebrity BigBrother, Hello, OK, X-Factor, Pop-Idol .... what next; Celebrity <beep> Traffic Wardens?) - TV has been a "God-send" (excuse the pun) to the "hidden elite" for replacing the Church and organised Religion ... with that one box installed in everyones homes they have a direct, extremely powerful and effective method of controlling you, and making you think and believe the things they want you to think and believe. They love it! And we just can't seem to get enough of it ...

"Make them really scared, give them a few material scraps (rabbit-hutch houses with postage-stamp gardens bought at obscene prices with Shylock-style loans) then make them <beep> their pants that the bogeyman will come and take it off them ... when you've got them quaking with fear tell them you'll look after them as long as they're good boys and girls who do as they're told and keep their noses to the grindstone - don't let them look up at the stars, make sure their eyes are firmly pointed at the floor!"

Most of us walk this world in a zombie-like state of paralysis, fear and wilful ignorance. It's got to the stage now that most of us just don't want to know the truth - far better to lead an insular, parochial life and hope that nothing comes along and ruins it ... "our Government will save us if the bogeyman comes, surely?" we cry (or is that bleat, like sheep?)...

Trouble is the REAL bogeyman IS your Government! (and the "backroom boys" who ultimately control them)


Oh, and btw Blower; hope you don't take offence at this but you know the Christian saying "God made man in His image"? ... well I'm afraid that they got it the wrong way round; the truth is Man made God in his image ...

It's called Anthropomorphism. So don't hold your breath for the '2nd coming' or the Rapture ... I fear you may turn blue waiting ...

Not at all sir, no offence taken. The bible saw folks with your attitude coming long before you were ever born.

2 Peter 3:3-4 - Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days SCOFFERS, walking after their OWN LUSTS, and saying WHERE IS THE PROMISE OF HIS COMING.........

See in Peter's time folks were saying the same things and using the same arguments that you use today, nothing has changed.

As for man using organised religion for his gain and to control the masses, there is no surprise there at all, that has been happening for a long time too. Funnily enough, Jesus when speaking to the 7 churches in the book of Revelation did warn about these folks(Nicolaitans) who were already on the scene and bringing in damnable heresies for their own gain.

The simple fact is you only have to filter what the fakesters are saying through the word of God and it is soon revealed that they are phoneys and up to no good. The whole idea of christianity is to have a personal relationship/friendship with The Father through the Son Jesus Christ. Even Paul warn the Galations, if any man or angel comes to you with a different gospel other than what is in the word of God, let him be ACCURSED.

The very 1 eyed devil called television that you mentioned is the reason that the public are being dumbed down into simpletons. If its not violence its sex, if its not sex its profanity, either way all that is presented is darkness and limited in education and intelligence. I totally agree with you on the state of society and how the government has indoctrinated the folks into believing that they will save us(they will continue to shaft us and at the end do away with 80-90% of the entire world population).

Folks are too worried about paying the mortgage and getting the latest gadgets to focus on what is going on and in most cases the people love it and would have it no other way. Well folks are gonna pay for their willful ignorance.

I've heard this man creating God theory many times before and quite frankly, it doesn't wash. If man is greater than God, why can he not rectify the mess that he has got himself into? What kills it is that it is not just in 1 area, he has messed up the entire world. Kinda funny though that God foretold us that if we did things that were contrary to his comandments, we would end up destroying ourselves........and are we not destroying ourselves? I recommend Romans 1 for in depth reading into what happens to a society when they reject God. Then line it up with our society today....snap.

As for Christ coming back, as I've shown you folks have been saying it won't happen for the last 2000 years but my God's word is faithful and true. God has his timetable, he is not going by man's fear and doubt. HE WILL RETURN!

[Turbo Joe]

The Lightbringer - The Morning Star!

Isaiah 14 from verse 12 for some very educational reading about your boy Lucifer and his demise. It also profits you nothing to support the dude as he hates ALL HUMANITY....that means you too sir!

[S4TAN]

I've heard this man creating God theory many times before and quite frankly, it doesn't wash.
If man is greater than God, why can he not rectify the mess that he has got himself into?

Sorry dude - but the opposite then applies: i.e. if your God is greater than Man then why isn't He/She/It fixing the problems? After all, we're his greatest creation aren't we ...? And why hasn't your God stop the suffering of the billions throughout history? - Here's a few easy and obvious examples: during the 2nd World War millions of Jews were put in Concentration camps - now according to them they are "Gods Chosen People" - so where was their God when they were being murdered ...? Did He/She/It just stand by and watch them suffer? (quite clearly the case as there was no divine intervention witnessed was there?) - what a charming God! Why are children born with crippling disabilities/disease ... or into poverty surely to die through lack of water and food? What have they done to deserve that fate? After all; they're only children ... nice work God!

If Adam & Eve were the first humans then surely the entire population of the Earth are born of incest? (Adam & Eve's children must've mated with each other to produce the next generation ... and so on and so forth...) - is incest not a sin?

If the story of Noah is true then isn't that yet another case of interbreeding ...?

If one doesn't believe in Jesus as the Saviour then one is to be damned (according to some Christian sects) - if that's the case then every single human born before the time of Jesus must surely be living in Hell right now - pretty unfair when you consider that they had no chance of believing in Jesus (seeing as how they could have no knowledge of him as he didn't even exist back then!)

How about those charming Catholics that burnt people at the stake and tortured them in the most horrific ways - because they said that the Earth revolved around the Sun and not the other way round! (the Earth actually does revolve around the Sun by the way) - God must've been standing back watching again! The Pope is meant to be Gods 'conduit' to the people of the world - why didn't God have a bit of a word with the Pope when he was sanctioning mass murder in France, South America etc ...? Or when his Priests sodomise little boys in the Vestry after choir practice ...? God just seems to be standing back and doing nothing again...

Where is Allah when a massive earthquake in Pakistan or Iran wipes out hundreds of thousands of "his" people ... or when a Tsunami kills yet more thousands over in Asia ...?

All of these versions of God seem somewhat vindictive and malicious to me .... they paint a picture of a being with very human-like traits .... ever wondered why that is? It's because we invented him based on ourselves (on that note why would God need a sexual gender? If God is a 'he' then it is logically implicit that there must be a 'she' God knocking about somewhere - a true creator-God would be without gender. And if the term 'He' is only used as a metaphor for "The Father of Everything" then the metaphor fails because a Father simply cannot be a Father without a Mother. One cannot exist without the other.

I'm afraid that your Bible tells you lies Blower - it's littered with contradictions, and has been written, re-written, and re-re-written again and again many times throughout history to suit the "powers that be" at the time. Many Gospels were omitted because they didn't fit in with the picture that the authors were trying to paint. Many phrases have been mistranslated between various versions and languages to produce the distorted stories the Churches needed to instill awe and fear into the masses - the best example being the Virgin birth story - all due to a mistranslation of the Semitic word "almah" which actually means "young woman" - when translated into Latin it mistakenly became "virgo" (meaning "unmarried") - this in turn was interpreted to mean that Mary was a virgin in a sexual context .... and Abracadabra: you get hundreds of millions believing that Jesus was born of a virgin .... oh dear!

I could bang on and on about this for a long time as I am reasonably well versed in the history of human religions - and it is because of this knowledge that I eschew organised religion for the flimsy collection of lies that it unfortunately is.

The Jesus story is simply a re-hash of the Horus myth (the ancient Egyptian God pre-dating Jesus by 3,000 years), much in the same way that the rest of the Christian fables are plagiarised from earlier Pre-Christian religions.

Oh, one more thing, if you want to check out the boy Lucifer here's a nice little link that will inform you further: http://www.dpjs.co.uk/lucifer.html .... take time to read it, it really is quite enlightening!

P.S No offence it meant by this Blower - but I do enjoy the odd religious debate now and again. Needless to say Jehovas don't darken my doorstep anymore after their last visit when they were treated to an hour of polemic on this very subject - they left looking very downhearted, and saying they would not return (they did however say that they would pray for me)

[rolskii]

Needless to say Jehovas don't darken my doorstep anymore after their last visit when they were treated to an hour of polemic on this very subject - they left looking very downhearted, and saying they would not return (they did however say that they would pray for me)

FPMSL ......
I hope u answered the door to them in a kinky Ann Summers "Horny Devil" outfit ..... hair spiked an all....... ......

[S4TAN]

I hope u answered the door to them in a kinky Ann Summers "Horny Devil" outfit ..... hair spiked an all.......

No, I was naked (except for motorbike boots) and sporting a huge erection.

[rolskii]

I hope u answered the door to them in a kinky Ann Summers "Horny Devil" outfit ..... hair spiked an all.......

No, I was naked (except for motorbike boots) and sporting a huge erection.

screaming ... "come in an be converted all ye heathens" ...

[ZeroK66]

Dear me, are we talkinga bout emigrating to Heaven/Hell/Egypt now!! Very complex debate. Healthy though!!

[S4TAN]

screaming ... "come in an be converted all ye heathens" ...

No, it went along the lines of "Come all ye young nubile maidens that art fair on mine eye, and blow ye a mighty tune on the holy pink and purple oboe of S4TAN" ... or something like that ...

Very complex debate. Healthy though!!

Exactly!

[Turbo Joe]

This seems to be a bit ridiculous, why isn't God fixing the problem? When God made man, he made him caretaker of this earth meaning that God gave man the intelligence to rectify any problems that would occur. Since he also removed himself out of the earth, he now needs man's permission to come in. Thats like you ragging the nuts off your car and not looking after it, it breaking down and you going to Audi blasting them that its their fault that your car is broken. Man has caused the majority of the problems on this earth and with most of the problems, man has the intelligence to rectify them himself without any super natural intervention. The thing is man doesn't want to take the responsibility himself to sort out the mess, he wants somebody else to do it(the government being the so called saviour of the people analogy is a typical example and this is a worldwide epidemic). It is interesting to note also that your very 1st question confirms this pass the buck mentality.

As for the Jews, God warned them way back in Leviticus and Deuteronomy that if they forgot him and forsook his commandments, that they would suffer greatly, be persecuted, killed, their children killed in front of their eyes,taken to lands which they did know etc. You ought to read about some of the false gods that the children of Israel turned to and worshipped and what the requirements were to worship these gods especially Baal and Molech. I'll think you'll find that they brought those woes upon their own heads and that God was justified in removing the hedge of protection he put around them. As for devine intervention, quite the opposite. God said that despite their chastening, a remnant would survive and return to their own land. 1948 saw the first Jews return back to Israel. God also said they would never be completely wiped out and despite Hitler's efforts, this remained the case and still is.

As for interbreeding, the law forbidding to marry into family wasn't given till 2500 years after the creation when Moses received it on Mount Sanai(Leviticus 18. Before this, there was no such thing as incest, plus with a much smaller world population shortly after the flood, you would very limited for pickings and have no choice. Your faulty assumption is that the world then was like the world now in terms of its condition and population and laws. by the way, there are over 270 flood legends. They must have had an origin point.

As for believing in Jesus and the folks born before Christ came to this earth as a man, the folks born before Christ had the law which was given to Moses to follow. They will be judged by Christ according to that law at judgement day. That law was a law of works, we now believe in Christ by faith, very different. Those who followed the law of Moses to the best of their ability are in heaven, its those that didn't and decided to do their own thing and rebel, they are the ones in hell right now.

As for catholics, they are not christians according to the teachings of Christ. They may have similarities to biblical christianity in their religion but it has nothing to do with Christ, his teachings or his church. As for the pope, he is a fake. The bible strictly states that there is 1 mediator between man and God, the man Christ Jesus. Why folks who read that don't put 2+2 together is beyond me. Confession boxes, praying to and worshipping Mary, making idols, graven images and worshipping them are all spoken against in God's word so it is very easy to knock them off the shortlist. By the way, the christians they burnt at the stake refused to accept THEIR practices,teachings and doctines of devils, only accepting what Christ had taught. Interesting when you investigate the true meaning of the Vatican and where they really stand(as you probably have found out already). So when you consider that God is not amongst them for these reasons alone(there are many more), its not surprising what they are getting up to in terms of buggering children.

As for Allah as in the God of the Koran, it is not very hard to show that Allah is a false god so of course he would not be able to protect his people from danger plus what kind of lifestyles were these people partaking in. If the Jews suffered for taking on evil practices, don't think any other culture will escape, the God of the bible will not be mocked, as a man sows, so shall he reap. Your assumption again is automatically thinking that these people were good, God fearing folks who were living clean lives. New Orleans was rife with witchcraft before their flood and they got it big time. Like I said before, God will not be mocked.

As for your view of God, again it is faulty because you are looking at God from an earthly, human perspective. The God of the bible is outside of and not limited to time and space or matter. Your conclusion about a god based on human traits immediately paints a picture of a limited god who can be comprehended, who isn't worth worshipping in my opinion. Plus having not gone to heaven yourself, how can you draw conclusions about the ordinances and how things run up there? There are alot of things that are not understood by man yet. Rather than draw faulty conclusions based upon limited evidence and research, I choose to put those things on the shelf pending further research and investigation.

So you called out contradictions in the bible, please show me 1, in fact I'll even take on 3, just for starters. The history of the bible is a long one, too long to explain. Those so called gospels that were ommitted were not and did not claim inspiration of God, therefore they had no place being in God's word(which is what the word 'gospel' means). They were never used as inspired scripture, they were only used for their historical value. This is why the Apochrypha was placed in between the old and new testaments in the King James bible(which is the one I use and in my opinion, the only one that is trustworthy). It and other writings are not inspired, they only serve as use for historical landmarks at certain times. As for Jesus not being born of the woman's seed only, this is propaganda being thrown out to throw people of the path to find the truth. If Jesus was a result of copulation, then who was his father? If you say Joseph, then why did Joseph want to divorce Mary after he found out she was pregnant? Also Way back in Genesis, we were told that the seed of the woman(Jesus Christ), notice, no man is mentioned) would bruise the head of the serpent(your buddy satan). So Mary being a VIRGIN is absolutely correct.

Horus never had a virgin birth, a death at 33 and a ressurection account to his name till at least 100 years after the ressurection of Christ and that stands for all the other gods of other pagan sects who claimed similar accounts fot their gods. I challenge you to find any of these false claims dating back further than 100 AD, you won't find one. Also Christ said to the scribes and Pharisees " If you had believed Moses, you would have believed me for he wrote of me". Christ has always been. This is why he said "I AM". The faulty assumption of these accounts of pagan gods likening them to the account of Christ is that Christ had a beginning.....not so.


No offense taken at all mate, I enjoy being thrown in at the deep end and defending the faith. It is very interesting hearing what people have to say and it forces me to conduct more research and increase my knowledge. Checked out your link. Its quite funny how they still had to reference the holy bible even though they have their own.

PS. Sorry to go on and on but I feel that I had to answer the questions you set forth and set the record straight from a biblical christian standpoint.

[quattronutter]

so what about the dinosaurs?where did they come from?were they planted by aliens

[CliveH]

New Orleans was rife with witchcraft before their flood and they got it big time. Like I said before, God will not be mocked.

Seems like another good example of your charming god! If this is so, please explain what all the other poor people living in New Orleans did to deserve to be wiped out 'big time'...

As said above, this is an interesting, healthy debate. I'm only sorry I don't have the time to make a proper contribution.