Was God an astronaut?

[Turbo Joe]

Before we do the big-bang why don't you just answer some, or even one, of the many points above?

Start with my point about God existing outside of space-time, and therefore knew man would sin before even creating him (as God would clearly know mans entire future history because God sees all of time at once), but went ahead and made him anyway ... why did God create a flawed sinning creature? Just to have fun punishing him?

Answer that and I'll deal with your big-bang question.

God didn't create a sinning creature, God gave man the ability to make his own decisions, man decided to rebel against God on his own accord and freewill. The difference between me and you is I have recognised the mistake that man made in the garden and have turned back to God. You on the other hand have decided to continue the the destructive cycle of your fathers despite seeing their mistakes. You still trying to blame God for this outcome of man? This is not surprising, we live in a "blame the next man" era.

So you don't believe in God but you believe in Satan, the one who began this whole deception process in the garden(read the account), but to you, he's the cool guy, he's alright. Does that make any sense to you? By the way you never did answer the question as to why you follow and support an entity who hates your guts, can't stand you with a passion and wants you and would have you dead at any given oppotunity? I'm confused at that.

[Turbo Joe]

What kind of rubbish are you talking ,
By the way evolution is not science, its a fairytale religion.
Yet the theory of evolution teaches just that with a little magic ingredient called TIME. Throw millions and billions of years into the equation and the evolutionist all of a sudden thinks the theory is more viable, reasonable and realistic.

What type of rubbish are you TALKING Blower ..... did you or did you not state in 1 of yr posts that the universe is mearly 6-10,000yrs old ....

I have consistently noted that u are a hypocrit .... say 1 and next post say the opposite .... (example above)
Just prove that there is a GOD ..... I know u cant ..... if there was - all the fighting and troubles in the world would stop ... not commence(as u seem to indicate)
Its all propoganda bullshit ..... that the blind and unknowing see and adhere to ...
Give us something tangeable to go with, that is not pre-dated or speculation .... the only thing u got in your life is TIME .....
hurry an get a life as its runnning past u in a different universe .... oh didnt someone tell you ..... there is other life form out there ......

Look Rolski, the burden of proof is on the evolutionist to prove his theory because he is asking for his theory to be taught in the education system at all levels at the taxpayer's expense. Also disproving evolution automatically proves that there is an intelligent designer.

[Turbo Joe]

you just want to live out your own life, make your own decisions and endulge in your own passions.

did you get permission from god to drive a remapped S4..or was that your own desicion to indulge in your passion of cars..

Come on Woody, lets get serious now, in the context. I know you are on the run and shaky from your pending defeat, have a prozac mate. I hope you have the number of a recovery company close to hand when we hash it out, those BMW engines can't be trusted.

[Turbo Joe]

You still have not explained who created God. As you put it, any complex organism/living creature/ entity capable of thought must have been created - I would say that God is pretty complex so who created the creator?!?!

Have you read the God Delusion by Richard Harris? He puts forward many many good arguments to disprove the existence of a 'higher being'?

I dont mind people having beliefs, but to put sooooo much faith in a book without questioning it to me is rediculous!! Imagine trying to pull that one now - The Book of Andy, get into it or die!!

Andy Mac

If God needed to be created then he is not God. This assumption is trying to bring God down to the level of man, "we were created so God must be the same", flawed logic. God just is, he has always been in existence. We as humans cannot understand this because as far as we are concerned everything has and must have a beginning. Do we then turn ignorant and reject it because we don't understand it or do we accept it as something that is beyond our understanding and something we may not understand at all. there are many things we don't fully understand but we still use and interact with on a daily basis.

Richard Dawkins has been offered out to debate by several creationists but he has refused, he is running scared. He has even been offered money but his is still hiding in his chicken coup. So not having been successful with the evo theory, he has decided to jump on the "God doesn't exist" boat.
His arguments against the existence are God are quite frankly rinsed, flaked, dead and a load of nonsense. They can quite easily be refuted.

[jeffw]

Oh Jeff, will you be an ignorant die hard like the rest of these guys and walk into the fire of oblivion? You cannot revive a rigomortis Jeff, the theory is dead, its only surviving on tax money, don't be the last one off the boat.

You stagger me with you arrogance. I'm astonished that you have been brainwashed to this extent. Please seek professional help as soon as possible, there are a number of organisations which help cult members escape and , hopefully, return to a normal life.

[Turbo Joe]

Oh Jeff, will you be an ignorant die hard like the rest of these guys and walk into the fire of oblivion? You cannot revive a rigomortis Jeff, the theory is dead, its only surviving on tax money, don't be the last one off the boat.

You stagger me with you arrogance. I'm astonished that you have been brainwashed to this extent. Please seek professional help as soon as possible, there are a number of organisations which help cult members escape and , hopefully, return to a normal life.

Its not arrogance or indoctrination at all Jeff, its confidence knowing that there is no evidence to support the evolution theory and that I could smash anyone of you in a debate. This is the problem with evolution, the things that fit the theory are openly displayed in glory and pomp, whereas the things that don't are queitly hidden under a very thick rug hoping nobody will discover them.

[s4woody]

s4woody wrote:
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you just want to live out your own life, make your own decisions and endulge in your own passions.


did you get permission from god to drive a remapped S4..or was that your own desicion to indulge in your passion of cars..


Come on Woody, lets get serious now, in the context. I know you are on the run and shaky from your pending defeat, have a prozac mate. I hope you have the number of a recovery company close to hand when we hash it out, those BMW engines can't be trusted.

blower..i dont do on the run from anybody..now when we lock horns with our cars there will be only 1 outcome..and regardless of that outcome i will still shake your hand..
now ive read more or less everything on these off topic post's and i gotta say im very confused..so i,ll let me car do the talking..if you have 320bhp at the wheels its gonna be a close race..if you haven't then start praying preacher boy...

[rolskii]

What kind of rubbish are you talking ,
By the way evolution is not science, its a fairytale religion.
Yet the theory of evolution teaches just that with a little magic ingredient called TIME. Throw millions and billions of years into the equation and the evolutionist all of a sudden thinks the theory is more viable, reasonable and realistic.

What type of rubbish are you TALKING Blower ..... did you or did you not state in 1 of yr posts that the universe is mearly 6-10,000yrs old ....

I have consistently noted that u are a hypocrit .... say 1 and next post say the opposite .... (example above)
Just prove that there is a GOD ..... I know u cant ..... if there was - all the fighting and troubles in the world would stop ... not commence(as u seem to indicate)
Its all propoganda bullshit ..... that the blind and unknowing see and adhere to ...
Give us something tangeable to go with, that is not pre-dated or speculation .... the only thing u got in your life is TIME .....
hurry an get a life as its runnning past u in a different universe .... oh didnt someone tell you ..... there is other life form out there ......

Look Rolski, the burden of proof is on the evolutionist to prove his theory because he is asking for his theory to be taught in the education system at all levels at the taxpayer's expense. Also disproving evolution automatically proves that there is an intelligent designer.

wot utter dribble ..........
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u need to seek help - yr seriousely deluded blower .....

[S4TAN]

So you don't believe in God but you believe in Satan

NO! Learn to read better Blower - you will see in an earlier post of mine that I clearly state I don't believe in either of them! (Satan being a fallen Archangel) - I told you that as a logical argument: it's impossibe for me to believe in your Satan if I don't believe in your God!

And on the subject of logic you seem to have a wilful (and arrogant) ignorance of the logic thrust in your face: I'll reiterate it in easy to follow steps:

(1) If God exists outside of time and space then it logically follows that God knows the sum of all histories and futures of everything; i.e. the entire universe, including Man.
(2) Therefore, when God created Man, God already knew that Man would sin (God doesn't experience time in the linear unidirectional manner that us mere mortals do - ALL of time is therefore visible to God simultaneously, and thusly God must've known that Man would sin)
(3) Regardless of God giving Man freewill God must've known Man would sin (see step 1)
(4) Ergo: God created Man in the full knowledge that Man would sin - and can only have created Man to punish him.

LOGIC.

[JohnW]

Blowy blower, Once more you fail to answer my specific questions.

You also choose to interpret things to suit your argument.
I did not say evolution was science, I said using science to try to prove it.
Your quote regarding evolution being unprovable is correct. I said this in a previous post, and also said that it is the most logical or acceptible hypothesis that is adopted as the current theory.
Note: not gospel, THEORY.

The tricky thing as I also said before is that until it can be disproven it remains as a possibility.

Now I take issue with the comment 'you and your chums'.
you assume I do not believe in god. I have already stated I attend church.
You have no idea what my lifestyle is.
The difference is that I have an open mind, being prepared to accept alternate views. You on the other hand seem to be blinkered by what is written.
It must be those same blinkers that avert your eyes from questions you do not wish to answer...

[JohnRet.]

Blower, read The Theory of Evolution by J P Lehman.

[Turbo Joe]

So you don't believe in God but you believe in Satan

NO! Learn to read better Blower - you will see in an earlier post of mine that I clearly state I don't believe in either of them! (Satan being a fallen Archangel) - I told you that as a logical argument: it's impossibe for me to believe in your Satan if I don't believe in your God!

And on the subject of logic you seem to have a wilful (and arrogant) ignorance of the logic thrust in your face: I'll reiterate it in easy to follow steps:

(1) If God exists outside of time and space then it logically follows that God knows the sum of all histories and futures of everything; i.e. the entire universe, including Man.
(2) Therefore, when God created Man, God already knew that Man would sin (God doesn't experience time in the linear unidirectional manner that us mere mortals do - ALL of time is therefore visible to God simultaneously, and thusly God must've known that Man would sin)
(3) Regardless of God giving Man freewill God must've known Man would sin (see step 1)
(4) Ergo: God created Man in the full knowledge that Man would sin - and can only have created Man to punish him.

LOGIC.

Not logic, this is all based on the assumption that God is responsible for man's woes. How you make the jump from prior knowledge of sin to creating man just to destroy him is off the chart. But since you do not believe in God or the devil, then who is to blame for the world's troubles since it can be neither of these two characters according to your philosphy?

[Turbo Joe]

Blowy blower, Once more you fail to answer my specific questions.

You also choose to interpret things to suit your argument.
I did not say evolution was science, I said using science to try to prove it.
Your quote regarding evolution being unprovable is correct. I said this in a previous post, and also said that it is the most logical or acceptible hypothesis that is adopted as the current theory.
Note: not gospel, THEORY.

The tricky thing as I also said before is that until it can be disproven it remains as a possibility.

Now I take issue with the comment 'you and your chums'.
you assume I do not believe in god. I have already stated I attend church.
You have no idea what my lifestyle is.
The difference is that I have an open mind, being prepared to accept alternate views. You on the other hand seem to be blinkered by what is written.
It must be those same blinkers that avert your eyes from questions you do not wish to answer...

Since you go to church, let me remind of what Christ said about having an open mind:

Matt 7:13-14 - Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

So according to the words of Christ, you need the blinkers on in order attain to life, take them off and it leads to destruction. It seems a clear read to me. I don't put on blinkers when it comes to logic, common sense and science. I put on blinkers when it comes to the theory of evolution which science cannot back due to its ridiculous claims. I'm still waiting for evidence for this theory, I couldn't believe some of the flimsy things that were brought up, vistigal structures and dna, fossils. All of these have been proven to be false, there are no vistigal structures and if you think otherwise please name one. Fossils don't count either which is obvious not knowing where the bone came from(as in time).

Remember what Paul wrote to Timothy:

1 Timothy 6:20 - O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Also look at what did John wrote:

1John 2:15 - Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

So my question to you is, what are you doing taking on board a secular theory and not trusting what the bible says if you believe in God? When God said he made the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th day, was he lying?

[Turbo Joe]

By the way John W, you are one of the first to admit that evolution is not science but I can assure you that in the textbooks taught out of in schools, colleges and universities, they push the theory as if it is part of science but as you have so well observed, it is not.

[jeffw]

When God said he made the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th day, was he lying?

Yes....'cos God didn't say it, man wrote it down wrong, there isn't a God and it's all drivel.

Pick one of the above that works for you.....