RS6 vs RS4 The good old debate

[boff]

Guys

Ask me the questions you need answers to. I have an RS6 for the weekend - when I bought my RS4 I spec'd an RS6 at the same time; they liked the spec so much that with one modification (swapped Nogaro for Sepang) they ordered it and as I've passed a few deals their way, and the possible motivation to sell an RS6 performance to me they have kindly lent me a brand new car, in pretty much my spec for the weekend.

Quick plug for a dealer that does a very good deal, and is very diligent at selling cars, is Audi City - Martin Roberts.

What can i say; it is late, so not too much detail - but it's a very different car. Brilliant in its own way but definitely different massively. If you drive it like the RS4 it is actually properly scary - and I do like that.

The RS4 is nimble, accurate - but the RS6 is powerful and makes up for the the lack of accuracy by being a complete sledgehammer. You really do know it's a quattro, the power is immense.

The love for my RS4 hasn't changed, but maybe now I'm into threesomes?

Chuckle - here's a pic

A

[ARSEY4]

That's extremely kind of them. Okay could you answer the following:
Steering, what happens when you approach corners at speed and turn, annoying under steer or sharp turn? I know the answer but wondered to what level.
Ride, comfy in comfort and unusable in dynamic? Again looking for the comparison.
Tech, it looks like a big step up from the b8 but perhaps you can comment.
Cog shifting, quicker, smoother?
Rear leg room, is the extra space noticeable? Boot looks huge!
Engine note, as nice as? Better?
Enjoy the drive, love the look of them very imposing on the road!

[RIV]

Could be my next move, I've been told they handle very well for a big barge and pull like a train
They look best in black, be interested to hear your thoughts on it boff.

[Vodkaking77]

Finally, been on the fence about changing but worried it might be a bit of a boat like the M5.

On another note, M6 at the lights last week, poor chap nearly went sideway as I shot off... Love the Quattro :Kissmyrings:

[kmpowell]

Quick plug for a dealer that does a very good deal, and is very diligent at selling cars, is Audi City - Martin Roberts.

Sadly not that good Andy... I spoke to Martin at the start of the week about swapping my 4 for an inbound Nardo 6 they have coming next month. I explained my situation, and what I'd seen/been offered elsewhere, but the p/x price he offered for mine was way off the mark (£3k less than other dealers), and the discount he would offer on the 6 was £4K short of other dealers. His words were "I think this is a really good deal", which I didn't challenge there and then. The next day I very courteously asked if he would match other dealers, but he's not bothered to reply, not even with a "sorry no I can't/won't" email.

Anyway, from my test drives, you're right, it's a sledge hammer of a car with epic power, but you do feel every KG and cm of its size. I had a C7 (albeit a derv S-Line) before my B8 and I'd forgotten how much of a barge they feel. The 6 is perfect if you need the size/space (something I'm going to need again), but I'd still pick a 4 over it if size wasn't the issue. If the new 4 is everything they say it's going to be I think 6 residuals will be hit, something that seems to possibly be considered in the current 2yr GFV figures.

One thing I did find on the 6 is the standard air suspension has great settings which renders the optional suspension a bit pointless, but the Sports Exhaust is still essential IMO. The standard one on the 6 sounds good, but it's not on a par with a Sport Exuast equipped B8.

The 6 comes very well specced as standard, so unless you want toys, you can easily spec a 6 with only £3-4K of options and it will IMO suffice. Nardo, 21" black wheels, Sports exhaust, black pack and privacy is my spec.

[boff]

That's extremely kind of them. Okay could you answer the following:
1. Steering, what happens when you approach corners at speed and turn, annoying under steer or sharp turn? I know the answer but wondered to what level.
2. Ride, comfy in comfort and unusable in dynamic? Again looking for the comparison.
3. Tech, it looks like a big step up from the b8 but perhaps you can comment.
4. Cog shifting, quicker, smoother?
5. Rear leg room, is the extra space noticeable? Boot looks huge!
6. Engine note, as nice as? Better?
Enjoy the drive, love the look of them very imposing on the road!

Right let me have a crack at some direct answers, bear in mind I've only done 120miles so far on long roads. This is a great thread so far tho - helping me focus.

I believe that this car does not have the dynamic pack, so no DRC (funny tho. I'm almost certain it does have it - i'll take a pic of the computer)

1. Not really noticed any massive audi understeer yet, and believe the steering feels similar to the RS4 (Mine HAS the dynamic pack) - I did find myself at one moment thinking there was less feel from the RS6, don't forget I had a B5 and a C5.
2. Erm no - have to play with this, because I also have a height setting!, I left it in dynamic for the beginning of the drive last night, and where the RS4 would be so firm that I'd have to turn it off straight away, the RS6 simply wasn;t I got home and picked up the kids and did a few miles before I thought, this needs to be a comfort drive to let the kids have a good sleep.
3. More to come, but the tech in this things is outstanding. tiny negs - the DAB sounds much worse than FM, and I'm not settled on the Bose vs. B&O debate - this car has Bose, I'm not sure its as nice as the RS4's B&O; B&O being a £6k option.
4. Gearbox, my only gripe - much slower than the 4's DSG STronic. The 6 has a ZF auto which is the best auto i've driven, just not as good as the STronic
5. Rear leg room; my 4 has buckets, the 6 has more space.
6. Engine note, very different; still loud as hell, but very different acoustic, shows on the rev counter that it will only ref to 6500 - so not a screamer; BUT a crackler, and I like that.

I'll bear all this in mind and refine it.

Simple at the moment; I'd own both - very different tools.

B

[boff]

Quick plug for a dealer that does a very good deal, and is very diligent at selling cars, is Audi City - Martin Roberts.

Sadly not that good Andy... I spoke to Martin at the start of the week about swapping my 4 for an inbound Nardo 6 they have coming next month. I explained my situation, and what I'd seen/been offered elsewhere, but the p/x price he offered for mine was way off the mark (£3k less than other dealers), and the discount he would offer on the 6 was £4K short of other dealers. His words were "I think this is a really good deal", which I didn't challenge there and then. The next day I very courteously asked if he would match other dealers, but he's not bothered to reply, not even with a "sorry no I can't/won't" email.

Anyway, from my test drives, you're right, it's a sledge hammer of a car with epic power, but you do feel every KG and cm of its size. I had a C7 (albeit a derv S-Line) before my B8 and I'd forgotten how much of a barge they feel. The 6 is perfect if you need the size/space (something I'm going to need again), but I'd still pick a 4 over it if size wasn't the issue. If the new 4 is everything they say it's going to be I think 6 residuals will be hit, something that seems to possibly be considered in the current 2yr GFV figures.

One thing I did find on the 6 is the standard air suspension has great settings which renders the optional suspension a bit pointless, but the Sports Exhaust is still essential IMO. The standard one on the 6 sounds good, but it's not on a par with a Sport Exuast equipped B8.

The 6 comes very well specced as standard, so unless you want toys, you can easily spec a 6 with only £3-4K of options and it will IMO suffice. Nardo, 21" black wheels, Sports exhaust, black pack and privacy is my spec.

Yeah my experience is that they do need a firm push, but got there on the RS4 in a big way. Also I'll shift the business if the RS6 is way out from other dealers; I'll be buying plenty of Audi's as my business matures - however he's a pretty decent chap, my experience is the same a little bit btw buddy, on calling back; and the impression I have is that - that is based upon workload; granted unacceptable in a sales business.

Is the nardo one the one they have in the window? That's a beast.

You are right, you can feel the weight - we have two days looking at houses in bournemouth, so it's getting a great all-round test. I do simply love the 4; but it is way too small for us 2+2 - and then if she gets her way, new house.... bigger house.... then I will have outgrown the 4 completely. With the 6 being my only option to have everything in one package.

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[doodlebug]

Quick plug for a dealer that does a very good deal, and is very diligent at selling cars, is Audi City - Martin Roberts.

Sadly not that good Andy... I spoke to Martin at the start of the week about swapping my 4 for an inbound Nardo 6 they have coming next month. I explained my situation, and what I'd seen/been offered elsewhere, but the p/x price he offered for mine was way off the mark (£3k less than other dealers), and the discount he would offer on the 6 was £4K short of other dealers. His words were "I think this is a really good deal", which I didn't challenge there and then. The next day I very courteously asked if he would match other dealers, but he's not bothered to reply, not even with a "sorry no I can't/won't" email.

Anyway, from my test drives, you're right, it's a sledge hammer of a car with epic power, but you do feel every KG and cm of its size. I had a C7 (albeit a derv S-Line) before my B8 and I'd forgotten how much of a barge they feel. The 6 is perfect if you need the size/space (something I'm going to need again), but I'd still pick a 4 over it if size wasn't the issue. If the new 4 is everything they say it's going to be I think 6 residuals will be hit, something that seems to possibly be considered in the current 2yr GFV figures.

One thing I did find on the 6 is the standard air suspension has great settings which renders the optional suspension a bit pointless, but the Sports Exhaust is still essential IMO. The standard one on the 6 sounds good, but it's not on a par with a Sport Exuast equipped B8.

The 6 comes very well specced as standard, so unless you want toys, you can easily spec a 6 with only £3-4K of options and it will IMO suffice. Nardo, 21" black wheels, Sports exhaust, black pack and privacy is my spec.

Some dealers simply don't have to heavily discount, it's not a new phenomenon. There are plenty that won't discount at all.

I cannot see the B9 hitting residuals. In fact I'd be concerned about the B9 given that Vag currently doesn't have a pot to piss in. They are in completely different markets. One is in the 50-60k bracket the other in the 80-100k bracket. There will be a lot of billy basic RS6s, they will be harder to shift down the line.

[boff]

Quick plug for a dealer that does a very good deal, and is very diligent at selling cars, is Audi City - Martin Roberts.

Sadly not that good Andy... I spoke to Martin at the start of the week about swapping my 4 for an inbound Nardo 6 they have coming next month. I explained my situation, and what I'd seen/been offered elsewhere, but the p/x price he offered for mine was way off the mark (£3k less than other dealers), and the discount he would offer on the 6 was £4K short of other dealers. His words were "I think this is a really good deal", which I didn't challenge there and then. The next day I very courteously asked if he would match other dealers, but he's not bothered to reply, not even with a "sorry no I can't/won't" email.

Anyway, from my test drives, you're right, it's a sledge hammer of a car with epic power, but you do feel every KG and cm of its size. I had a C7 (albeit a derv S-Line) before my B8 and I'd forgotten how much of a barge they feel. The 6 is perfect if you need the size/space (something I'm going to need again), but I'd still pick a 4 over it if size wasn't the issue. If the new 4 is everything they say it's going to be I think 6 residuals will be hit, something that seems to possibly be considered in the current 2yr GFV figures.

One thing I did find on the 6 is the standard air suspension has great settings which renders the optional suspension a bit pointless, but the Sports Exhaust is still essential IMO. The standard one on the 6 sounds good, but it's not on a par with a Sport Exuast equipped B8.

The 6 comes very well specced as standard, so unless you want toys, you can easily spec a 6 with only £3-4K of options and it will IMO suffice. Nardo, 21" black wheels, Sports exhaust, black pack and privacy is my spec.

Some dealers simply don't have to heavily discount, it's not a new phenomenon. There are plenty that won't discount at all.

I cannot see the B9 hitting residuals. In fact I'd be concerned about the B9 given that Vag currently doesn't have a pot to piss in. They are in completely different markets. One is in the 50-60k bracket the other in the 80-100k bracket. There will be a lot of billy basic RS6s, they will be harder to shift down the line.

That's right doodle, It's probably because they are selling the volume they want to and won;t lock customer loyalty in because plenty of normal buyers come in love the product and just buy it.

That has to be changing with the VAG news though; As I work in sales I'd be treading cautiously right now.

Facts are that we are small bubble of really demanding clients, only certain dealers have the passion and enthusiasm to support us I guess.

[doodlebug]

Yep. It's all down to finding a good sales team. Even then I don't see much loyalty now. Ever increasing targets to meet a sale is a sale.

Audi UK couldn't give a crap either way.

[Paulm]

I don't need a car as big as the RS6. If the RS4 came with V6 Twin turbo I would have probably gone for that. The fact that it does not have turbos is a show stopper for me. Removes the playing / tuning factor.

[mjwebb48]

Having collected mine yesterday and having a decent drive back it's easy to see how it's a covers most bases car. In no way a track car and won't satisfy the purist manual drivers but wow everything else it does incredibly well!!
Had a lot of traffic so into comfort or auto and cruise in a quiet comfortable cabin. Bit of space opens up and bang it has way more performance than you can use!! I read before picking it up that within 3 seconds from any speed you should be lifting!! Very true. I had a rs4 for a weekend but with a ridgeback to house in the boot that was a no and to be honest it didn't feel as special. Can't wait to get more used to the features of the car, couldn't be more happy. Bought from Crawley audi through Hannah smith who made whole process easy and with very good discount!!

[kmpowell]

Is the nardo one the one they have in the window?

Not that one no, it's not to my taste because it's got the Matt aluminium pack, silver wheels and trim, and no tints. The one I was told about was one they've ordered for another branch to replace a recently sold sepang showroom car. It's due Dec/Jan.

[RIV]

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[MikeFish]

Boff you could buy this little Gem
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Eeewwwwwwww! That looks rank. Note it says library pictures though.