Thoughts on this ?

[PSB1]

I really wanted to get into a GTS, just a bit beyond me though. They haven't really moved value wise in 2 years, in fact I believe they dipped to about £56k and since the 718 got such a very flat reception, have risen back over £58K which certainly helps you owners. Do you ever find the Cayman a bit slow compared to your old B8?

Hi Sam. Well, I haven't even begun to explore the limits of the GTS yet. I bought at the wrong time of year - end of October. It's a complete change in use for me; purely a weekend car. I've only filled it up 3 times since I bought the damn thing! However, I'm going to do at least part of the NC 500 in May as my wife is going on holiday with the kids for a week (I have a cancelled work trip to blame / thank for me not going with them). I might also come to one of this site's meets if Porsche's are welcome?

The car, as you'd expect, feels completely different. You really feel that you're enclosed and wrapped into the car. I've got the standard seats but they are quite snug and add to the sensation of being low down. The mid engine layout and balance of the car is as good as you have heard / read. It just feels exciting from the moment you set off. I'm running p-zeros so I'm being careful over the winter but with pdk it has loads of 'go'. Sports+ feels like a bit of a gimmick - basically red-lines, holds the gears for ages and chucks out a machine gun barrage of exhaust noise. Childish, but great. Also, no coffee beans yet.

I think the GTS edges it on power to weight, although these sources may be questionable:

http://fastestlaps.com/models/porsche-cayman-gts

http://www.pistonheads.com/features/ph- ... rong/32630

In terms of values, I shouldn't really be running that kind of car either but it should hold enough to limit the pain. Keeping at high-50's is fine by me for now. I'm flirting with 991 911 GTS' at the moment, but that's just daft and I'm not sure I need to make the switch.

[S4WON]

You're missing the point. As a buyer you can go view all the cars in the world and offer them "trade in price"

No, you're the one missing the point, very badly. I'm NOT saying a buyer should offer trade price, that's just stupid! I'm saying a private sale price (to be salable) has to be realistic in relation to a trade-in-price, and what dealers are selling at.

Trade price - cheapest
Private price - next
Indi - next
Franchise - next.

In the current market, and with current values, anybody who pays £40k for the grey car in the OP's post, is a moron. As was very clear above, if trade price for that car is £33k and CAP value it as £35k for a private sale, that tells you all you need to know about the £40k asking price. CAP/trade is not "totally irrelevant to an individual shopping within the retail market", it is totally relevant, it dictates ALL market values because it dictates margin at a dealer level which in turn pitches private sale prices where they have to be in order to be attractive to tempt somebody away from the 'security' of a dealer.

You can keep using RIV's car all you want, that isn't an indicative example, it's not a normal car, therefore isn't the 'market'.

Does the CAP value take account for any/all extras or is it based purely on a basic price?

[N13LXC]

WBAC put it at £32770.

Knew it would be low, but not that low, yikes!

Remember wbac is just an algorithm that takes cost new and depreciates it. It's good as a bit of back pocket info. I prefer using glasses guide, parkers and if struggling, what car...what car tends to be c. 5% over valued...

Again, it's that dudes car. If he wants 40k to sell, it's his choice...

My opinion, that car is c. 36k possibly 38k depending on condition. But I've never seen it, so can't say one way or another.

[HYFR]

Remember wbac is just an algorithm that takes cost new and depreciates it.

[N13LXC]

Remember wbac is just an algorithm that takes cost new and depreciates it.

Ha, must be mate...I missed two full pages of this thread!

WBAC bad there prices on general depreciation for make/model, priced at or around trade in value, their main selling point is that you can negotiate a better deal on your next car...or you can put your big boy pants on and decide what you are going to pay for the next car, if the dealer says no, then go else where!

P.s. I like your advice on tootle...gives a good and accurate value of what you are likely to be offered and you can choose if you're ok with it...or if once bought in finance, wait till you've paid 50% of the total to be related and just give it back to them...make it someone else's problem...

[N13LXC]

Also, telling you anything about buying and selling cars is like telling Hamilton how to drive silverstone...you've done it enough times to know better than most on here!

[johnnydog]

WBAC is owned by BCA (British Car Auctions).

Just to clarify a few facts....
WBAC was started in 2006 and became part of the used car group Carcraft, but was bought by BCA in 2013. In 2015, the BCA group including WBAC was sold to Hamersham Holdings.

Regarding the suggestions about the selling prices of used cars, whenever I have sold a car, whether that be a £1000 car or something a little 'tastier', I have generally priced them to sell privately at a midway point between the CAP trade valuation and the CAP retail price. I have never struggled to sell a car, but obviously it helps with its individual desirability. Presentation and ad wording is paramount - I often look at both private and trade ads in disbelief wondering how sellers expect to sell their cars with badly worded adverts or poor quality pictures, and some with dirty and poorly prepared cars.....

[Surrey Sam]

WBAC is owned by BCA (British Car Auctions).

Just to clarify a few facts....
WBAC was started in 2006 and became part of the used car group Carcraft, but was bought by BCA in 2013. In 2015, the BCA group including WBAC was sold to Hamersham Holdings.

Not wishing to be a pedant, but as you suggest. In the interest of clarity, it's actually Haversham Holdings PLC (not Hamersham) and they decided to rename as BCA Marketplace PLC. So I stand by my original comment.

http://www.bcamarketplaceplc.com/~/medi ... tus-15.pdf

[DeanoC]

It's not an exact science is it. Normally it'll come down to price vs. time to shift.

By the conversation here i overpaid for mine but i was looking for 3 months and it didn't appear expensive at the time when comparing it to all the other cars.

I had a very specific car in mind and one pretty much exactly what i wanted popped up at the audi garage 1 mile down the road so it had to be done even if there was cheaper to be had.

Purchased Aug 16. 2014, 26k, Daytona with every option other than AAC (specifically didn't want because of the odd front), lane assist, side assist, buckets, ceramics and the carbon engine cover. Paid 40k with audi warranty, new brakes and 3 years gap, tyre and paint insurance.

[Acprc]

I agree, if you follow the logic through the thread I also overpaid however it was comparable to the other cars around at the time with the same spec, I purchased in the last 3 months of 2016.

At the time my dealer (Huntingdon Audi) was selling B8.5 RS4's with no problems and a few times cars would sell before I could get a test drive. We were notified of the Viper Green RS4 as soon as they got it in and drove it before it had been prepped. Did the deal a few days later having put a small deposit down.

[DeanoC]

I agree, if you follow the logic through the thread I also overpaid however it was comparable to the other cars around at the time with the same spec, I purchased in the last 3 months of 2016.

At the time my dealer (Huntingdon Audi) was selling B8.5 RS4's with no problems and a few times cars would sell before I could get a test drive. We were notified of the Viper Green RS4 as soon as they got it in and drove it before it had been prepped. Did the deal a few days later having put a small deposit down.

It's like anything. Someone who sold cheap will say they are all over priced. Someone who overpaid will say they are all under priced and have something wrong. Then you get into the world of looking at asking prices rather than selling prices. It's all just a big guess.

Like yours. When you go to sell you could look at equivalent age/mileage/spec asking prices and add 10% on for a laugh because of the colour. You only need that one person who wants it.

Every buyer is different. My audi salesman said i was the first person ever to dictate an option that must not be on it

In 12 months or so they will all be out of PCP's and warranties and i think you will find less for sale and they will be less sensitive on mileage.

[Bund]

Is this not a slightly better spec with buckets and pan roof? It's been for sale 18 months with the dealer and still not sold so I don't see how the private car is going to get anywhere near 40k.

I just found my dream car... Search for yours via Auto Trader #DrivenByMe
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/ ... 2189723520

Wbac have offered 34 for my RR sport and best trade bid was 35200 who called me on a an advert I put up.

[S4WON]

Its not a facelift, that does make a difference. But i agree spec is better.

[Bund]

Ok cool, what did the facelift add/include over the older model?

[noidea]

The car the OP is talking about has buckets and pan roof, just not ceramics.