At risk of starting another tyre debate

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Re: At risk of starting another tyre debate

Post by AndyBrad » Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:56 am

Michelin are RO

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Re: At risk of starting another tyre debate

Post by johnnydog » Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:06 pm

Where have you seen that info - all the tyre sites I've seen don't list them as RO1 or the later RO2 model spec...except the older PS2 tyre

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Re: At risk of starting another tyre debate

Post by stuartbarriskell » Sat Aug 12, 2023 3:39 am

I might pick up a pair of tyres now and a pair in a month or so, just to lessen the blow when their due to be replaced. But torn between loyalty, known performance, and the latest technology.

Tyres are very often a huge discussion point on the BMW bike forum S1000rr UK. If you own a high-performance bike (200kg wet with circa 200 brake plus), you can't help but become super intimate with tyres for obvious reasons.

Although I'm a big Michelin fan, I've also ran Contis, Dunlops, and Pirellis over the years, and all have their premium sticky models.

My current road bike has Michelin Power Cup 2s fitted, these are for fast road but mainly track use. Conti have super sticky race attack 2S and the new 4S has the special black chili compound (that's not a typo) Dunlop Sportmaxx are also super sticky and great for track and fast road, Pirelli have the Rosso range of sticky rubber..what does this have to do with cars ?.. well the tech and various options on compounds find their way into and across the range of both car and bike tyres, the two are most definitely linked

Which brings me to the sport contact 7s. These do sound good but seem to be out of stock, I would consider a set if they are available, or do I stick to what I know.

I usually buy from Camskill and have done for years. They don't have Contact 7s in a 265, but have PS Cup 2s and PS4s in stock. I like the look of the tread pattern on the PS Cup 2s with the large almost slick like section, but at 324 quid V 260 for the PS 4s, it's something to think about.

Why did I post this..feck knows lol..

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Re: At risk of starting another tyre debate

Post by GMC86 » Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:23 am

Just to update this, I finally got the conti SC7s delivered.

I persisted with my order from black circles as I ordered them when they had a 15% off code for contis.

Couldn’t justify the extra £200+ (after my discount) for the Michelins despite the general consensus that they are the best tyre for the job (even though they are old in tyre years now).

Sounded like they had sufficient in stock for anyone that wants to order through them though

(Although just checked and they have 10% off PS4S tyres today!)

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Re: At risk of starting another tyre debate

Post by johnnydog » Sat Aug 12, 2023 1:31 pm

I need to decide this weekend which tyres I'm going for. This week, I have driven two quite new Porsche Macans both of which had their original P Zeros fitted, and an Audi Q5 which had Pirelli Scorpion tyres fitted. Whilst I accept they are a different type of vehicle from the RS4, all three were quiet, handled well, steering was positive and nothing made me think Pirellis P Zeros wouldn't be a suitable option.... without anyones experience of the Bridgestone Potenzas S007's, I may well end up ordering the P Zeros....
Decisions....

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Re: At risk of starting another tyre debate

Post by goram » Sat Aug 12, 2023 4:12 pm

I had PZeros on my remapped 335d xDrive. They were fantastic, but obv a very different car…

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Re: At risk of starting another tyre debate

Post by stuartbarriskell » Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:19 pm

Tell you what, the set of P Zeros fitted to mine the day before I paid for it (Mid August '22) they have been faultless, I reckon they'll be goosed at 22/23k which in my mind is a decent mileage from a performance tyre fitted to a heavy car with AWD.

Fronts are sitting circa 2 mil, rears slightly more. I can feel a slight drift if hitting a skin of water on the road at normal speeds. This is generally my cue to start thinking about parking with roughly a grand. I'm jumping on to checkout Black Circles deals right now, but I really do like those Michelin PC 2s..hmmmm

Cheers for the heads up, GMC.

Edit:

Kit of 4 Contis supply only £1019.00 delivered

Kit of PS 4s supply only £1000.00 Delivered

Kit of PS Cup 2s supply only £1323.00 delivered.

The latter are track focussed, but Street legal, wonder what the wear rate is like.

The Michelins I have on my road bike are similar in style to the PS Cup 2s, the wear rate has been excellent for a very sticky tyre, these have done some track time but mainly road. I completely forgot I had changed the PC 2 rear for a Super Sport Evo which is a similar compound.

I'll stick some pics on.

Average mileage out of a rear on a big bike 1500/2000 max road miles or 3/4 track days @ 7 sessions a day all things being equal..you can easily half this if the weather is scorching or a cold tear appears..

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Re: At risk of starting another tyre debate

Post by johnnydog » Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:03 pm

johnnydog wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2023 1:31 pm
I need to decide this weekend which tyres I'm going for. This week, I have driven two quite new Porsche Macans both of which had their original P Zeros fitted, and an Audi Q5 which had Pirelli Scorpion tyres fitted. Whilst I accept they are a different type of vehicle from the RS4, all three were quiet, handled well, steering was positive and nothing made me think Pirellis P Zeros wouldn't be a suitable option.... without anyones experience of the Bridgestone Potenzas S007's, I may well end up ordering the P Zeros....
Decisions....
Pirelli P Zero RO1's it is then... ordered at £250 a corner.. :shock:
Could be worse I guess...

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Re: At risk of starting another tyre debate

Post by AndyBrad » Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:11 am

only thing with pzeros is thay arnt great in the cold. dont ask me how i found out

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Re: At risk of starting another tyre debate

Post by stuartbarriskell » Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:55 pm

I've ordered a set of Pilot Sport Cup 2s. I'll see how the wear rate is soon enough, based on my decision on the longevity of the sticky tyres on my bike, hopefully their car tyres are equally good..

The tread pattern looks awesome.

These just arrived at my office..

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Re: At risk of starting another tyre debate

Post by johnnydog » Fri Aug 18, 2023 2:53 pm

Well, I got the Pirelli P Zero RO1s fitted Wednesday. Decided to use a recommended wheel refurbishment place in Preston as I felt they would take more care of the rims than some spotty faced yoof at one of the local tyre places :roll: They also supplied and fitted them cheaper than the supply only price anywhere else on line - I would then have had additional fitting costs on top too.
I also had a slight nick on one edge of a rim where it was caught following the previous tyre change to Michelins (thanks Asda tyres... :thumbsdown: ) to which they did a very localised repair and relaquered the edge of the small section, taking care not to lose the original milling lines.
Result? Excellent! Very pleased with the whole job. The tyres side profile look better than the PS2's, and the handling, steering feel, and response just feels far better. I appreciate they are new v old tyres, but the improvement is immense.
From having the PS2s fitted years ago, reversing off my drive with generally left lock, I felt the tyres 'chattering' as if they wanted to 'snatch' sideways, possibly due to the camber of the footpath. That has now disappeared which is another plus.
So all in all, a positive result in my opinion with the P Zeros, and a good choice I think :thumb:

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Re: At risk of starting another tyre debate

Post by stuartbarriskell » Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:18 pm

The P Zeros on mine have been faultless, good mileage so far with a fair bit of meat left, I reckon easily 2k on the ones fitted to my car, so good choice there Johnnydog.

I just noticed the track connect hook up mould on the inside of each crown, at 600 quid for the kit I'd say its justifiable only for track use, but certainly would have considered buying if it was maybe a third of that, even for road use, monitoring each tyre individually would have been interesting particularly temperature.

Love this tread pattern. Just a bit wary of longevity, but that remains to be seen, and no real rim protection ImageImageImageImage

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Re: At risk of starting another tyre debate

Post by johnnydog » Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:57 pm

A few pics with its new boots - it came with P Zeros from new, which I didn't find overly good, but apparantly there have been several newer versions since 2014, all still surprisingly named P Zeros. These new ones are dated 2023, so are the latest version, which I must say feel infinitely better than its originals.
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Re: At risk of starting another tyre debate

Post by Astonished » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:50 pm

Pilot Sport 4S … all day, every day

Did about 240,000kms of my 290,000kms on my B8 with them

Now got them on the RS6 … still the best

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Re: At risk of starting another tyre debate

Post by Astonished » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:55 pm

The missus has got a small merc and with Contis she’d get the same same chatter as johnnydog also backing out the driveway on steering lots of lock. New PS4s cured that.

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