10,000 Mile Ownership Review

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10,000 Mile Ownership Review

Post by P_G » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:03 pm

So as I was driving home from work last night the Odometer creeped over the 10000 mile mark and I thought it a good time to write a review of my ownership experience in just under 8 months of having the RS3.


The RS3 was always going to have a tough job on its hands to live up to “The Beast”, the mighty B7 RS4 which had to date been the best car I had ever owned and the longest at 5+ years of ownership. Coupled to a decent list of modifications on it including;


Non-res valved AAS exhaust with x-pipe

GruppeM ram air intake

Port / polished and de-flapped manifold

Carbon clean

Cold air feed

Hotchkis front and rear ARB’s

EBC Yellowstuffs

Goodridge hoses

Vredestein Ultrac Sessantas

Revolution remap


The RS4 bar a supercharger was pretty much perfect so a stock RS3 to match was a tall order, some may say an impossible one. So on the first day of collecting it went in for some minor enhancements in Milltek cat bypass pipes and a Pipercross air filter. So here is how I rate the RS3 in various categories vs. the RS4.


Styling


The 3 is aggressive but in a different way to the RS4, almost subtly aggressive. Everyone knew what the RS4 was, probably helped by the fact most could hear it coming 1/2 mile away and it got a lot more comments but also a lot more attention both from boy racers and the Rozzers With newer Audi’s coming out the B7 even for me looks a little dated at the front but it has so much presence.

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The RS3 doesn’t except from the front but then I quite like that now, maybe it suits my advancing years and outlook on vanity. The family prefer the 3.

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Inside is the one place the 3 doesn’t live up to the 4. The dimensions in the 3 are actually better; particularly in the rear albeit the cabin is a little narrower but the quality of plastic is not there. That’s not to say the ‘3 is not a nice place to be because it is and on long journeys it is comfortable and coming from other brands it is well built but coming from one Audi to another it has some shortfalls.


Performance


The one most people will be interested in and having had time to reflect the ‘3 and the ‘4 go about it in different ways. The ‘4’s Achilles heel was its lack of torque which was partly addressed by the modifications I had done to it but the one thing with the RS4 was that there was always a sense of occasion no matter what speed you were doing. You could be doing 30mph and it would sound epic. The ‘3 I find myself being faster to get enjoyment out of it but at the risk of points / licence. For an everyday proposition and point and shoot driving which most of our roads allow the ‘3 with its s-tronic is more usable and having been up against some RS4s just as quick as you wouldn’t notice the difference. Don’t get me wrong, the 5-pot has its moments of aural excitement but not in the way of a V8.


Pick up in the ‘3 is good but could be improved on throttle aggression but it has to be said the gearbox helps the ‘3’s 5-pot be as good as the modified ‘4. There is one area the ‘3 does fall down and that is mid to top end punch where more torque would be handy as on high speed overtakes it feels like it is running out of puff and you have to drop a couple of gears to get in the sweet spot whereas the displacement of the ‘4 meant it always felt like it had plenty of shove but a remap on the ‘3 I believe will solve that issue.


Handling


As much as many people slated the RS4’s DRC it worked on mine and was sublime. And what it shows up on the ‘3 is how hard the ride is. I suspect it would be better on 18”wheels as on my winter wheels it rides a lot better. The difference however has been minimised from changing from the supplied Continentals to Goodyear’s. I almost feel like going back to Audi and asking for a refund on the money I spent to change to Goodyears to make the ‘3 what it should have been because the Continental 5P’s were that bad. Even the Conti’s winter tyres I bought were better. Audi should never be allowed to dictate what tyres this car comes with because gone are the vague steering feel, sliding on turn in, lack of confidence and feel in the wet, harsh ride and general loud slushiness and instead you have more direct communication at all grip levels, quieter ride and a generally more alert car.


Handling has been enhanced by the inclusion of the 034 Motorsports ARB. Give 034 their dues, the mucked up by initially sending the wrong bar but made amends by sending the new one FOC and it takes out so much of the pitch and roll and under-steer on the OEM car and is the best £200 you could spend much like Hotchkis was on the ‘4 for £300. It’s still not as good as DRC because the comfort isn’t there and the 3‘s lacks the ability to absorb the bumps and potholes as well as the ‘4 but it’s nearly there, it just needs to feel a litlle more planted like the '4 and to an extent stuck to the road with glue which is what you always got in the '4. Possibly a set of PSS9’s in the future.


For those that say the ’3 is poor handling wise try these two changes to OEM and you’ll be surprised at how good it is. The fact the ‘3 is also lighter and feels a little more nimble adds to the satisfaction. Coupled to a continuation of legendary 4WD grip in all weathers albeit you can feel the difference between Haldex and Torsen but not enough in real life for it to be a significant difference.


Manual vs. s-tronic


I have always been a staunch manual man but I have to say I am converted by s-tronic. It has its moments of stupidity when in manual mode and you are looking to downshift but it selects to do so just before you do so you end up going from 4th to 1st rather than 4th to 2nd or you pull up at a junction and it momentarily pauses to select first when you wanted to get into that gap in traffic and it lurches quite horribly but the flexibility it generally shows is impressive. On my commute I leave it in ‘D’ and let it do its thing and in queuing traffic it make the journey almost enjoyable.


Manual mode is good, better now that I have some custom paddle extenders added which allow my short sausage fingers to rest just so on them that it feels intuitive to me, sport mode is good when you want to mash the throttle and just be lazy with speed but the best bit..... launch control!


Cost of ownership


To be candid this is the reason I moved to the ‘3. I had the ‘4 but ultimately had to get a commute hack in the shape of a Seta Ibiza 1.4 TDi Reference for the commute to work. Then one day I looked outside and thought it was crazy to have 2 cars sitting outside the house where I often used one on one day of the week, the other on one day of the weekend and the other 5 days both were sitting there doing nothing. The ‘3 was consolidation and at this stage it is proving to be more economical than having 2 cars and all the associated costs. MPG for the first 10k miles has been 26.1mpg, 5mpg or 25% better than the RS4. But the engine is just starting to loosen up and the longer journeys will see 30+mpg and my commute to work regularly sees 35+mpg whereas in the ‘4 I’d be lucky to see 26mpg. With more miles I’m confident the ‘3 ill be consistently near to or over 30mpg which makes it nearly 50% better than the ‘4 £200 difference in road tax each year helps and cost of insurance is about the same for a car double the value.


The 3 has not wanted a drink of oil (touch wood) since I collected it whereas by now I would have used 3 litres in the ‘4 and probably have done a 10 litre oil change at 5k miles x2.Servicing will be cheaper and the upside of brake squeal is that you get a new set of pads, discs and callipers at 9k miles FOC which would have been £400+ on the 4 just for the discs. Yes there is bigger depreciation on the ‘3 because it is new so it will probably work out around the same so I’m certainly no worse off but factor in finance, running and insurance of the SEAT on a day to day basis I am better off with less to worry about partly because of warranty, but alos a newer car whereas the ‘4 was bordering on 100k miles when I sold it and to keep doing 15k miles in it a year would have been a seriously expensive proposition. In a month I was spending around £400-450 in petrol and diesel, now it is around £320-350. The ‘3 will do 320-400 miles easily on 55-60 litres whereas I would be lucky to see 300-330 on anything but long journeys in the ‘4 on 70 litres.


Cost of modifying


On a par at present but considering my total modifying budget on the ‘4 was between £4-4.5K for all the parts and work done excluding tyres and brake discs. So far I have spent £400 on the bypass pipes and ARB. A remap will at £1k likely give me a faster, better performing car than the ’4 so the ‘3 is far more practically affordable tuning wise.


Ownership experience

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So has it been worth it? My financial head says yes and the ‘3 continues to surprise. It is helped that the family prefer it, largely because it doesn’t wake up the neighbourhood at 6am when I sometimes leave for work / going away but my you can’t replace the occasion of a sweet sounding V8 in your life. That said I don’t miss the oil tops ups, the more frequent fuel stops, the disc judder pre EBC’s and the cost of 5k oil services. I’ll see how I feel after the ‘3 is remapped and had a few select bits changed internally and externally but no doubt the RS3 is a very, very good car but it isn’t quite a great car but then I have been spoiled by owning one of the greats. I genuinely believe if I had come from any other car the RS3 would be great, fantastic even. Perhaps it will be a fantastic car once the modifications are complete and I sincerely hope so. And in that I have been fortunate to have owned one of the best super saloons of all time and now driving one of the best ones available today.

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Just a pity it doesn't sound like this and then it would be perfect.......

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Re: 10,000 Mile Ownership Review

Post by lofty » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:30 pm

Good write up, pleased your enjoying it.I spotted it at DDB a couple of weeks ago when David was doing my car, it looked and sounded very nice.

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Re: 10,000 Mile Ownership Review

Post by HYFR » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:47 pm

Fair write up Graeme....respect your views

Although, being the accountant that I am, I can't quite work out how having a new car lose 50% of its value over 3yrs + interest costs will be cheaper to run than the near as damn it non depreciating RS 4....but anyway, moot point.

Now, when's the remap!!!?

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Re: 10,000 Mile Ownership Review

Post by sonny » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:20 am

Does look like a cracking motor, the colour is spot on.
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Re: 10,000 Mile Ownership Review

Post by P_G » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:42 am

D_K wrote:Fair write up Graeme....respect your views

Although, being the accountant that I am, I can't quite work out how having a new car lose 50% of its value over 3yrs + interest costs will be cheaper to run than the near as damn it non depreciating RS 4....but anyway, moot point.

Now, when's the remap!!!?
DK, it's a fair point but if I had kept the '4 as long as I am keeping the '3 I suspect it would have needed a new clutch if not gearbox, major engine work + oil cooller etc, DRC or coilovers, all the servicing work, regular 5k oil changes and the cost of doing that whereas the '3 isn't going to (hopefully) need any of that. I realise that doesn't add up to £17k but whilst not strictly necessary I would have wanted to supercharge the '4. On a month by month basis the '3 costs me £300 a month less than running the '4 and the Ibiza just when considering finance, fuel and insurance costs alone and will have some value at the end, 5 years down the line I doubt the '4 with 180k miles on the clock would be worth more than £4-5k because unfortunately I see they are still depreciating by quite large chunks which offsets the monthly payment and interest I pay on the '3 in the 2 years I don't have to pay for the '4 when the baloonwas to be washed out whereas the '3 is scheduled to have considerably more value in it.

As for the remap, now I have an insurer that insures the remap it is just a matter of time and pennies but having a mre finding a tuner that can map the new ME9 ECU's whitout having to send it away somewhere combined with being them being arsed about answering phonecalls / E-mails with queries on their product.

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Re: 10,000 Mile Ownership Review

Post by HYFR » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:49 am

Good call Graeme...I forgot the 2 cars into 1 scenario...which makes complete sense.

Not going to use MRC? I know its a trek, but they know their shizzle...

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Re: 10,000 Mile Ownership Review

Post by P_G » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:38 am

They probably do but they aren't great on communication. Plus like you say it is a trek and if the ECU is left unlocked then Audi can overflash the map and I haveto trapse back down there to have it put back on. Plus they have seemingly had some 'teething' issues with their 2.5 TFSi maps that I would like to see have been sorted before I take one on.

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Re: 10,000 Mile Ownership Review

Post by klauster » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:40 am

I am remapping mine this summer, just trying to decide who.... MRC is my preference, but its the support side of it (should there be any issues) that worries me :?
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Re: 10,000 Mile Ownership Review

Post by S4Player » Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:32 am

Email Doug direct he responds almost right away when I try get in touch with him. The Mrc maps on the 2.5 were getting massive reliable gains
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Re: 10,000 Mile Ownership Review

Post by P_G » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:52 am

Danny, it's not just me that has problems getting info. out of MRC for RS3 TTRS remaps.I have asked for the info. and even provided my E-mail address for them to send information and got nothing. I understand they are good and as a consequence popular / busy and thats fine, just a bit disappointing. I thought you would have had a batphone to them with the time your cars have been inthere rather than using meager E-mails.....

Like said it is but one factor in a number and the major one is having fairly local support should Audi overwrite it when it gos in for a service / recll and at this time it has already had two software update so presently the likelihood is higher than I would want. The gains are good and on a par with the best Stage I figures out there, ideally I would like to find someone who does the engine and s-tronic map and do both.

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Re: 10,000 Mile Ownership Review

Post by S4Player » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:39 am

I speak with Doug and big stuart on a personal level as well so do have direct access to their personal mobile numbers. Saying that I've always had quick email responses. Not sure if the gearbox map has been released yet I'm not too up to date with that particular engine. I do know that an Mrc ttrs with just a remap and cat bypass pipe holds a very quick 1/4 mile at 11.3 and his 100-200 kmh times are quick as well. Ill send Doug a text just now
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Re: 10,000 Mile Ownership Review

Post by hammy969 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:13 pm

PG
Great write up. I especially relate to the s tronic pausing when you would normally dash into a space in the traffic.
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Re: 10,000 Mile Ownership Review

Post by Revolution » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:34 pm

hammy969 wrote:PG
Great write up.
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Re: 10,000 Mile Ownership Review

Post by Nickyboy » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:20 pm

Slightly off topic; are the RS3 rotors a different size to those on the S4/5 as they don't seem to have the same dish?
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Re: 10,000 Mile Ownership Review

Post by HYFR » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:28 pm

yes.
Nickyboy wrote:Slightly off topic; are the RS3 rotors a different size to those on the S4/5 as they don't seem to have the same dish?

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