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Re: smoke when starting
Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:08 am
by c3nturi0n
Mileage?
Is it a tuned car?
Re: smoke when starting
Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:35 pm
by Jim Haseltine
Does the car still have the original turbos? Try removing the turbo-inter cooler hoses (with an oil catch tray under them) - if there's anything more than a little oil inside the hoses then you could be looking at a worn turbo. My car is a 2008 with similar miles and both turbos were leaking oil almost as fast as I could add it.
Re: smoke when starting
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:18 am
by c3nturi0n
Ogi's right... i'd suggest to check it all over by RS specialist. They are best placed to comment on issues that are beyond DIY knowledge and that doesn't come up as error on diagnostic tool/s.
Re latter, it may be worth scanning the car to check for error (but i doubt that oil leak will come up as positive).
Keep us posted how you get on.
Re: smoke when starting
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:16 pm
by Ads50
Do you cool the car down when u turn it off? Is it drinking oil? And does it smoke when u put your foot down?
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Re: smoke when starting
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:01 pm
by C_J
This sounds like a one way check valve failing or the pcv system.
Re: smoke when starting
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:09 pm
by Jim Haseltine
On my car 2 of the 3 non-return valves in the breather system had failed.
Re: smoke when starting
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:28 pm
by c3nturi0n
Jim Haseltine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:09 pm
On my car 2 of the 3 non-return valves in the breather system had failed.
those under the air filter assembly Jim?
Re: smoke when starting
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:19 pm
by Jim Haseltine
Yep. The left and right Items 1 on
https://nemigaparts.com/cat_spares/etka ... 41/103500/ the central one was ok. If replacing them take note of the flow direction arrow on the valve body.
Re: smoke when starting
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:37 pm
by c3nturi0n
Cheers Jim.
Easy to replace?
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Re: smoke when starting
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:06 pm
by Jim Haseltine
The one for the right bank (under the PCV unit) wasn't difficult, the one for the left bank was awkward and the centre one (which I removed to check) was almost impossible. The breather/vacuum pipe assembly which it fits to on my car was brittle (and not cheap) so take care.
I've got this nasty thought at the back of my mind that I might not have fitted the valves the right way around - I'm sure they're correct but to settle my mind I'll have to take a look at the weekend.
Re: smoke when starting
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:58 pm
by c3nturi0n
Cheers Jim.
Other than smoke on start up or while accelerating, any other symptoms that failed valve does?
Rgds
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Re: smoke when starting
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:05 am
by Jim Haseltine
Couldn't say, but I doubt that it's good for the oil breather system.
It's a balanced setup - at idle/light throttle there's lower pressure in the inlet manifold than in front of the turbos so the fumes that have got past the coarse and fine separators are sucked into the inlet manifold. When the throttle is open there's higher pressure in the manifold than in front of the turbos so the fumes are sucked into the front of the turbos. In both cases the fumes end up being burned in the cylinders, it's just the route they take to get there that varies. As both turbo non-return valves had failed on mine there would have been air being sucked from in front of the turbos directly to the inlet manifold - off the top of my head I'd expect that to result in the engine running a bit lean.
*All that is qualified by it being 11pm and I've downed a good half bottle of red so my logic might well be on it's head.....