Brake Thread - OEM Ceramics vs OEM Steel

[Shinobi675]

Found it!!!!

So this is a great article! Well written impartial and factual.

http://api.app.evo.co.uk/editions/uk.co ... b/web.html

Well worth 10 minutes!

[IanH755]

Shinobi - As you can see people just see a "trigger" word (in this case "ceramics") and go off on a rant as you've seen without actually reading what is posted. Apparently as a non-ceramic owner I'm not allowed to even agree that ceramics are better without being argued with

David - We are both agreeing that the performance of ceramics is better yet for an unknown reason you are still trying make it sound like I am saying ceramics are bad and steels are the best thing ever and your deliberate mis-interpretation of my comments is starting to grate.

I getting very fed up of saying this to you but for what feels like the dozenth time - please read my actual posts and not what you "think" I've said. My concern is now and always has been since my very first post about this, their durability and therefore their replacement cost after being used on the track and *NOT* their performance which is the direct opposite of what you are telling me I am saying in your replies.

Anyway, I can not make my point any more simply so if people still want to deliberately mis-interpret my post then I refuse to waste any more of my time discussing it with them.

[Shinobi675]

Shinobi - As you can see people just see a "trigger" word (in this case "ceramics") and go off on a rant as you've seen without actually reading what is posted. Apparently as a non-ceramic owner I'm not allowed to even agree that ceramics are better without being argued with

Sorry mate! One flippant comment from me and it went proper downhill...

I think your dedication, knowledge and most importantly communication are second to none! You really have done a great job here and both walked us all through what you have done; but more importantly why you decided those things.

You've got great results and your methods are highly efficient! Tom, you're in that category too mate!

So back to the original point of this thread, your awesome car! Top work.

[Shinobi675]

Hi guys,

So I think I mentioned this arrival before on this thread but couldn't find it... Here it is!

http://api.app.evo.co.uk/editions/uk.co ... b/web.html

So rather than continuing on Ian's thread... Let's bring the cult back in here...

[classba]

Ian, I'm not ranking and I'm too getting really fed up of hearing you stating so many times that steels are better than ceramics on the track because of wear issues ( not proven in reality).

I just leave this here then.

http://www.motorward.com/2009/03/more-on-audi-r8-gt3/

yeah.... your car is awesome

[rtd]

Ian, I'm not ranking and I'm too getting fed up of hearing you stating so many times that steels are better than ceramics on the track because of wear issues ( not proven in reality).

I just leave this here then.

http://www.motorward.com/2009/03/more-on-audi-r8-gt3/

david that link is not even relevant here I bet those ceramics bear almost no relation to the ones used on the C6

[TomRS]

Shinobi - As you can see people just see a "trigger" word (in this case "ceramics") and go off on a rant as you've seen without actually reading what is posted. Apparently as a non-ceramic owner I'm not allowed to even agree that ceramics are better without being argued with

Sorry mate! One flippant comment from me and it went proper downhill...

I think your dedication, knowledge and most importantly communication are second to none! You really have done a great job here and both walked us all through what you have done; but more importantly why you decided those things.

You've got great results and your methods are highly efficient! Tom, you're in that category too mate!

So back to the original point of this thread, your awesome car! Top work.

Thanks

As a final note it really is more about replacement cost then anything else, i mean going down to basics im a poor boy and cant afford expensive things hahaha!


But jokes aside, i would rather replace the steels and not worry about ruining the Ceramics, theres quite a fair bit dotted about the interwebs of melted ceramics due to nurburgring laps etc.
Maybe its the driver who knows, all i know is if i spent 8k on a set of ramics and melted them on a track day i really wouldnt be able to afford to replace them, i dont have a bottomless pit of cash.
Its why i do most of my own work on the car myself, not only that but i do actually enjoy working on the car, i like knowing everything i can rather then paying a garage to do it.... most of the time i'll do a better job anyway. and im not talking about certainly specialiest places i.e Ricky at REP i trust his work but there are few and far between who get my trust.

And if i break something i know i've broke it, i wont bodge it or hide it away, it'll get sorted properly.


As for the steels vs ramics again Dave your not paying attension, as i say above its a cost thing, you might have 8 grand to replace all 4 rotors but i dont, and im sure as hell Ian has better things to spend his money on.
As for that article, the compound used on those is completely different to road ceramics so again a slightly useless article as interesting as it was to read.

[classba]

Ian, I'm not ranking and I'm too getting fed up of hearing you stating so many times that steels are better than ceramics on the track because of wear issues ( not proven in reality).

I just leave this here then.

http://www.motorward.com/2009/03/more-on-audi-r8-gt3/

david that link is not even relevant here I bet those ceramics bear almost no relation to the ones used on the C6

why not... it is stated here so many times that steels are better than ceramics for track use in general.

[classba]

Shinobi - As you can see people just see a "trigger" word (in this case "ceramics") and go off on a rant as you've seen without actually reading what is posted. Apparently as a non-ceramic owner I'm not allowed to even agree that ceramics are better without being argued with

Sorry mate! One flippant comment from me and it went proper downhill...

I think your dedication, knowledge and most importantly communication are second to none! You really have done a great job here and both walked us all through what you have done; but more importantly why you decided those things.

You've got great results and your methods are highly efficient! Tom, you're in that category too mate!

So back to the original point of this thread, your awesome car! Top work.

Thanks

As a final note it really is more about replacement cost then anything else, i mean going down to basics im a poor boy and cant afford expensive things hahaha!


But jokes aside, i would rather replace the steels and not worry about ruining the Ceramics, theres quite a fair bit dotted about the interwebs of melted ceramics due to nurburgring laps etc.
Maybe its the driver who knows, all i know is if i spent 8k on a set of ramics and melted them on a track day i really wouldnt be able to afford to replace them, i dont have a bottomless pit of cash.
Its why i do most of my own work on the car myself, not only that but i do actually enjoy working on the car, i like knowing everything i can rather then paying a garage to do it.... most of the time i'll do a better job anyway. and im not talking about certainly specialiest places i.e Ricky at REP i trust his work but there are few and far between who get my trust.

And if i break something i know i've broke it, i wont bodge it or hide it away, it'll get sorted properly.


As for the steels vs ramics again Dave your not paying attension, as i say above its a cost thing, you might have 8 grand to replace all 4 rotors but i dont, and im sure as hell Ian has better things to spend his money on.
As for that article, the compound used on those is completely different to road ceramics so again a slightly useless article as interesting as it was to read.

Tom... thank you for making that clear. so its not the wear issue for you...its the cost.

[rtd]

david most people have said and TomRS actually wrote a very informative post on the different compound make up of ceramic racing discs over road discs - we all know a track/race focused car will have an entirely different brake setup to a road car.

on the c7 forum someone posted about a c7 having its ceramics replaced after owner did a day at the ring! £12k bill.............

[classba]

david most people have said and TomRS actually wrote a very informative post on the different compound make up of ceramic racing discs over road discs - we all know a track/race focused car will have an entirely different brake setup to a road car.

on the c7 forum someone posted about a c7 having its ceramics replaced after owner did a day at the ring! £12k bill.............

OK.. and a friend of mine with a c7 with AP steels were totally fecked and warped less than 1k road miles.

Ian... ask BG because they had to skim them... he got an full refund instead of installing them AP's.

[Shinobi675]

david most people have said and TomRS actually wrote a very informative post on the different compound make up of ceramic racing discs over road discs - we all know a track/race focused car will have an entirely different brake setup to a road car.

on the c7 forum someone posted about a c7 having its ceramics replaced after owner did a day at the ring! £12k bill.............

I think it was twice!

But this is proper off topic, let's take it over to the ceramics vs steels thread...

[stevo55]

This thread has started to look like a normal Pistonheads Gassing Station discussion...

[Shinobi675]

This thread has started to look like a normal Pistonheads Gassing Station discussion...

Now that statement is surely enough to end this off topic thingy in its tracks

[rtd]

david most people have said and TomRS actually wrote a very informative post on the different compound make up of ceramic racing discs over road discs - we all know a track/race focused car will have an entirely different brake setup to a road car.

on the c7 forum someone posted about a c7 having its ceramics replaced after owner did a day at the ring! £12k bill.............

OK.. and a friend of mine with a c7 with AP steels were totally fecked and warped less than 1k road miles.

well I've had ceramics on mine for the last 11k and mine had only done 13k when I got them. i've only used them for fast private road use - combination of big long roads plus a and b roads. and all I can say from my limited experience and my car has been setup for fast road use is that I don't think the discs would take a morning or afternoon of hard driving around a track. just my thoughts. for the road ceramics all day long. now lets all have a group hug